QuarkXPress 4/Passport 4 and updates

Forgot to mention: second last dl before 'Help' files is 'QXTools 4'.

   there might have some hiccups on the old DL:s when the new files was added by me

Yes, qxp-4-update-41.sit appears to have gone AWOL - its needed for the 4.11 update on the standard install set. I can re-up it later, tho'.

Unless it renamed (or the same as) as the new file "QuarkXPress_4.10_Update.sit (11.10 MB). In which case some simple re-ordering of DL numbers will suffice.
[Edit] its not, so I restored what was removed for the standard 4.1 update (28+ MBs)

Thanks for the 4&5 Passport updates, SwedeBear.

@SwedeBear: This all looks very promising. There are a lot more in your archive that wasn't available here originally. That you had it running on PPC hardware is something I wasn't able to do. So please archive it here. No urgency tho', too close to the silly season.

   I have QXP Passport 4 somewhere. Could it find a place here perhaps?

Hi SwedeBear. Is this a 68k, PPC or FAT install version of Passport, US release? Does it require a hardware dongle? i.e; Have you installed QXP 4 Passport and have it working without issue or requiring the presence of a hardware dongle or software crack for the dongle (same question applies to your recent post in the QXP 5 promotional page)?

When this page was 1st created, there was only a copy of Passport version 4 here (I don't recall if it was uploaded internally or external only), but there were major issues trying to get it to work. Visit the last page of this topic and scroll to the bottom of the page then work your way back upwards and read through a few of those old posts to get an idea of what was tried...

I have no idea regarding the "Save document" issue under Sheepshaver? Maybe it looks at files modified dates and judges that it has changed since then? If you know you haven't made a change, you can safely click No (or Command-N).

Have you got a printer selected in Chooser?

I usually set up a PSPrinter set to create postscript files (for eventual PDF conversion). Because all the printer settings are saved within each document, this may be a factor in this instance?!

I have QXP Passport 4 somewhere. Could it find a place here perhaps?

Yes the 2nd D/L was missing from the internal server, but I have now re-uploaded it. Here is a temporary link.

Did you find the 4.11 update?

No, from "Protocol 7". He found them, - mentioned on page 2 of this humongous thread

@themacmeister: Found your copy of qxp 4 standard and re-upped to here. Links should become active soon-ish.

@themacmeister: Sorry, I can't either. Currently OS on holidays... 4 weeks before I get back... mid to late January.

Another download deleted...

@themacmeister: I don't imagine that to be much fun at all. I hadn't considered a RAM limitation... FAT 32 yes, 2 GB file size limit yes. Something to look forward to here, for me I see. I'll be giving it a go myself shortly.

I used to have this BII build running under '98 OK before I went to Win2k then XP, so I know it works. Just having to set up '98 again tho'... I know it can be done, but... I'm digging deep to find the inner maso c h i s t in me <-- have to misspell masoch*st like that because the N*zi who programmed up this Wiki deems it to be spam/swearing/blaspheming whatever and won't let it through

Will let you know in a couple of days as to how I get on.

PS. if you do get somewhere with it, the BII I put up for you has the BII keyboard re-mapped (Only 2 of the keys unless you've changed them). The remapped keys are Right Shift = Mac "Command" key and the Right Control key = Mac "Option" key. I'd remapped those back when I was using this port on '98 as the Windows "Alt" and "Windows" keys were known problems under BII and '98 at the time... I never did change them back - and they'd still be useful if you do get it up and running under '98.

@themacmeister: thats ****ing good progress! Much faster than I could get to having it up and running. Must do this myself when I can. Until then; Will wait for the juicy bits

Ah ok. I probably missed that bit. I guess it could run differently under 98. Worth trying certainly.

I think you might be better running it under Windows 2000 if you want to go legacy. I had a sweet BII setup on it back in the day. I only had one computer and no DSL so I didn't use the ethernet function. Just dialup and the scsi emulation (for burning to my Plextor CDRW).

I dropped 98 as soon as 2000 went release candidate. It was slower on my 64MB RAM Pentium 200MMX, but the stability more than made up for it. That and I could play DVDs without the whole system freezing up.

@themacmeister: Hmm... can't say that I've actually tried running this in Win98 compatibility mode under XP. This BII port is written entirely in assembly code and optimized for both the Win9x an NT branches of Windows. So I can't fathom how that would go from where I'm sitting...

Only know that how Win 9x displays the Win desktop differs somewhat from NT's branch of the Win OS and this perhaps explains why that manual shows text in the QXP4 demo (its running on the Win9x branch of the OS). - My theory until proven otherwise

Glad to hear your dad is OK, too.

Sharing .HFV files with either Basilisk II or SheepShaver. Pitfalls to watch for are; (a) .HFV drives must be HFS formatted for use with earlier than Mac OS 8.1 systems, not HFS+ (b) for an OS to work on either, it has to be a universal install and the SheepShaver needs to use an "Old World" ROM to run a pre-OS 8.5 system.
Sharing of Non-OS HFS formatted secondary drives between the two are the least problematic.

Sounds like you're a bit busy too, so when you have the time is fine by me.

Hope your dad is OK

@themacmeister: If you have the time and the inclination, please do. Its going to be a while before I can get around to it and it would be interesting to see if QXP4 behaves better on Win9x...

Do you also have SheepShaver set up on your usual PC? I'd like to know if the PPC install of QXP4 works OK for you on this. I wasn't able to run it on SheepShaver, although it installed OK. I copied over my 68k install to SheepShaver and that ran perfectly! I may revisit this and reinstall the PPC version again just to make sure I didn't bork it the first time around.

I had Win98SE installed on mine (a 2.4GHz P4), later I installed Win2k and then XP onto it. Win98 was good & fast on the P4. - XP wasn't too slow on it either. Lauri's Basilisk II ran fine on Win98, networking is the same as in XP. I first started using Basilisk II when the PC I had at the time was an older P166, The Mac emulation was usable, but it wasn't until I got the P4 where it began to run as fast (or faster) as original Quadra Mac hardware.

I think that I've kept all on the drivers for the P4, but finding the time to get it back together with Win98 is another story. Mightn't be for a while.

@themacmeister: No, it not an old build AFA that particular port goes, and its perhaps not too suprising that he's getting some text there either. To get those screenshots he's running Lauri's BII port on Windows ME (Millennium Edition) the final branch from Windows 95, not an NT variant... Maybe I should install Windows 98 on an old P4 I have sitting around... and run BII on that.

Its a great manual tho'. I've had it for years and didn't know it was still easily available. It was typed up and prepared using AppleWorks and printed to PDF using PrintToPDF and dedicated entirely to Lauri's Windows BII port

Heading over to try it this instant!

C.

PS. I will also try it with incognito - the network serial no. scrambler. You never know.

RESULT:

I will drop the condescending tone from now on -- everything you said was 100% true, and that non-JIT build is S-L-O-W!

I tried everything within my power to get QXP4 running, without any progress. I also see what you mean regarding the fonts, and Command-0 (fit in window). It looks for all intents like ATM is not rendering the typefaces on redraw?! With certain settings you can see the fonts by bringing to front (F5), but that fix is temporary. You can sometimes show all the type by adding a new text box. None of these are legitimate workarounds unfortunately. I could try a different ATM/Suitcase combination, but I doubt it would do anything. I also tried Windows GDI fullscreen, to no avail.

Oh well, it was a fun discussion until now

Hey Mike,

Something just occurred to me. Have you tried the drastic action of disabling networking, and trying QXP4 on your build? As you know, Quark checks the network (AppleTalk) for other running copies. It may not be getting a satisfactory reply?!

Just a thought.

@themacmeister: Yes, no probs will probably have it up in a couple of hours from now tho'... domestic duties to attend to

[Edit] You can get it from here I left in a couple of "Disk Tools" boot floppy images (.hfv), one for Mac OS 7.1.x and one for Mac OS 8.x... The 8.x one will complain about needing to be on actual floppy media or something, but ignore, it mounts anyway, the 7.1.x one is much better behaved and boots up like the real thing. I also included my beloved Quadra 800 rom. As you have already set up the ethernet driver, you should be good to go. The blogspot.com link you sent earlier has screenshots that are quite good for a basic setup reference so refer to those pix if needs be.

Also: Once Downloaded, extract the BII folder to C:\ - for example; C:\Basilisk II, that is don't move it to the Windows "Programs Folder". There will be better compatibility with XP and beyond if you do this.

Go through the various settings in the GUI and make changes to suit. The tabs "Disk", "Floppy" & "CD" have two main panes each, one for "Installed Disks" and one for "Available Disks" click the "Browse" button to locate your (.hfv) disks etc, they go into "Available Disks" use the direction arrows between the panes to move available disks to "Installed disks". The Up and Down buttons here set disk priority. You may need to set up the CD driver if you haven't done so (it will complain if you haven't) The CD driver is included in the "NT4 and Win2k" CD drivers folder, you just need to to move it to XP's C:\WINDOWS/System32 folder.

@MikeTomTom - I can set a permanent IP address in Basilisk II (Lauri's port).
In the GUI? or in the prefs? I set a static IP in the emulated MacOS!

You set a permanent address in Mac OS. However you can set "Use a permanent NIC address" and use a real or choose a fake hardware address for the enet card in the GUI, I choose real (I leave the option blank) - this option and many others, you will discover, are not available in the GUI for JIT BII or the JIT SheepShaver GUI. You can also set up a Router from this GUI - run your own FTP server etc, from your Basilisk II Mac if you wish to

Are you beyond doubt that fullscreen works/doesn't with that build? If fullscreen works, and networking is stable, and QXP4 now runs -- you have solved all of your problems - correct?

On JIT BII: QXP 4 Works Great. Looks beautiful very useable. But networking is crap. flaky with a capital F and very unreliable. Difficult to start up the emulation with networking enabled, I think.

On Lauri's port. it all works, full screen, mills of colours, networked PS printers, Every other 68k prog on the planet works OK on this, except for QXP 4!!!!!!!!! QXP 4 runs, but there is no text when opening saved documents! It doesn't even print the %#^&*!#@% text.

My workaround: I can share (.hfv) drives between the two Basilisk ports (I don't mind running both ports).

PS. You are using "Local Network" under the GUI to launch?
ie. the BasiliskII Ethernet Protocol installed for your NIC.

The JIT ethernet is fubar IMO. If you choose local it takes ages for it to connect, I don't know how many packets it drops but it seems to take for ever to get there, if it doesn't hang or even boot up with those settings in place. SLIRP on this seems to be more reliable - but I find it is more tolerable if ethernet is set to [none] a lot less crashes happen with the JIT BII set to no networking at all.

Anyways, hope this port goes OK for you. It'll be great if you can get further than me with QXP 4 on it tho'.

I need stable reliability here too. The ethernet implementation in the JIT port is rather unstable. The JIT Basilisk II emulation crashes "at the drop of a hat" with networking enabled.

I can set a permanent IP address in Basilisk II (Lauri's port). Networking does not hang or crash the emulation. There are remarkably few issues with it.

Because of its permanent IP address this BII emulator (Lauri's port) is "seen" as just another device on the network. I can turn on file sharing in the emulator and swap files from other machines on the network directly to the emulator and vice versa. I also depend on this for our internal network.

Sometimes I wonder whether we are using the same software

Native ethernet working nicely, as long as BasiliskII doesn't crash, it continues to work. If BII crashes, you need to reboot PC to get ethernet under MacOS again.

Both my versions of Basilisk II working, with Win2000 b2ether.sys installed as per my previous blog howto.

See here -> http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/378/capture17012011125831.png

My Basilisk II prefs here -> http://rapidshare.com/files/442975938/BasiliskII_prefs

PS. I don't know what to set the TCP Port number to in prefs, left mine blank (as I was only testing FTP). If you are going through a router, you could set manual port forwarding to the same port numbers...