OK guys, I'll be more careful next time, but I certainly hope you don't act this way all the time. You risk being perceived as a mob (at least to me) when the lot of you lash out like this at the same time. One polite comment would be sufficient for me to get the point, so no point in joining in just for the hell of it.
If Rosetta will really be dumped with the next major release, a big heap of software could be considered abandonware too. What shall be done with all those gems? MG right now is certainly a "Classic" place, but who is going to preserve the PPC/BSD stuff?
So you have the original media ? I do (£0.99 on eBay of course) and I wouldn't want to upload it.
The site is a labour of love for all those that contribute. We're not purists, but we do want this to be a site of cultural preservation, made especially hard by the grey nature of abandonware.
Perhaps I've been too hard, if you're aware of how roxio delivers its software updates, you'll see that I've previously posted a Toast 6.1 Update for other users - http://www.macintoshgarden.org/forum/toast-6-titanium-update - it looks remarkably similar to your upload.
Maybe if you called it the Toast Titanium 6.1 Update - which is no longer available to download - we'd sing your praises.
Can't believe roxio have stopped hosting the v7 updates (the last version I own) - perhaps we should upload that too - as long as we call it an Update and explain that it's no longer available from the publisher. No serials and no serial requests please.
PowerBook, I think our vetos are not meant hostile, but, since abandonware is not legal but only condoned we have to be quite careful of what is being uploaded. This has nothing to do with purism but rather with the problem that once we start uploading Mac OS X software it will get very difficult to control and prevent uploading warez. There have been attempts of this in the past. As long as we restrain from uploading Mac OS X software we even might have some sympathy from software companies since we really do something for cultural preservation and make it possible to maintain ancient hardware. But once we start uploading Mac OS X software this sympathy might fade and turn into hostility with legal consequences because Mac OS X is big business.
Your comments are pretty harsh, I must say, if not right out hostile and mean (thats to answer you, BertyBoy). Please, gentlemen, this is supposed to be an including site, not a playpen for purists. Maybe someone would be in need for this piece of software, and I hardly think Roxio notices the difference between putting up V5 or V6. I provide the software in good meaning, and in my opinion anything not sold or supported anymore is abandonware. I can't see that the OS X compatibility argument has a defining meaning to the term "abandonware". There are a number of software in here that can be run on OS X, so save your flaming for people who violate known companies policies about older software (like EA for instance).
Or at least, if you're going to put up OS X software that is not abandonware, put up the whole iof the original media - not this bodged-up rip that you only got yourself from "la baie aux corsaires".
Right, I cannot see that this is abandonware. Even if Roxio should not sell this anymore (which has not been tested by request, I believe) it is still fully usable on Mac OS X. This is the difference to Mac OS classic only software: Mac OS 9 is not supported anymore by Apple.
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All Toast Titanium Updates since Version 6.1.1 can still be downloaded from this japanese support page: http://roxio.e-frontier.co.jp/jpn/support/download/menu_toast.html
OK guys, I'll be more careful next time, but I certainly hope you don't act this way all the time. You risk being perceived as a mob (at least to me) when the lot of you lash out like this at the same time. One polite comment would be sufficient for me to get the point, so no point in joining in just for the hell of it.
Rgds,
PowerBook
If Rosetta will really be dumped with the next major release, a big heap of software could be considered abandonware too. What shall be done with all those gems? MG right now is certainly a "Classic" place, but who is going to preserve the PPC/BSD stuff?
PowerBook,
So you have the original media ? I do (£0.99 on eBay of course) and I wouldn't want to upload it.
The site is a labour of love for all those that contribute. We're not purists, but we do want this to be a site of cultural preservation, made especially hard by the grey nature of abandonware.
Perhaps I've been too hard, if you're aware of how roxio delivers its software updates, you'll see that I've previously posted a Toast 6.1 Update for other users - http://www.macintoshgarden.org/forum/toast-6-titanium-update - it looks remarkably similar to your upload.
Maybe if you called it the Toast Titanium 6.1 Update - which is no longer available to download - we'd sing your praises.
Can't believe roxio have stopped hosting the v7 updates (the last version I own) - perhaps we should upload that too - as long as we call it an Update and explain that it's no longer available from the publisher. No serials and no serial requests please.
PowerBook, I think our vetos are not meant hostile, but, since abandonware is not legal but only condoned we have to be quite careful of what is being uploaded. This has nothing to do with purism but rather with the problem that once we start uploading Mac OS X software it will get very difficult to control and prevent uploading warez. There have been attempts of this in the past. As long as we restrain from uploading Mac OS X software we even might have some sympathy from software companies since we really do something for cultural preservation and make it possible to maintain ancient hardware. But once we start uploading Mac OS X software this sympathy might fade and turn into hostility with legal consequences because Mac OS X is big business.
Your comments are pretty harsh, I must say, if not right out hostile and mean (thats to answer you, BertyBoy). Please, gentlemen, this is supposed to be an including site, not a playpen for purists. Maybe someone would be in need for this piece of software, and I hardly think Roxio notices the difference between putting up V5 or V6. I provide the software in good meaning, and in my opinion anything not sold or supported anymore is abandonware. I can't see that the OS X compatibility argument has a defining meaning to the term "abandonware". There are a number of software in here that can be run on OS X, so save your flaming for people who violate known companies policies about older software (like EA for instance).
Rgds,
PowerBook
Or at least, if you're going to put up OS X software that is not abandonware, put up the whole iof the original media - not this bodged-up rip that you only got yourself from "la baie aux corsaires".
Right, I cannot see that this is abandonware. Even if Roxio should not sell this anymore (which has not been tested by request, I believe) it is still fully usable on Mac OS X. This is the difference to Mac OS classic only software: Mac OS 9 is not supported anymore by Apple.
dont publish mac os x soft, please