QuarkXPress 4/Passport 4 and updates

@themacmeister:

Had it working last night launching with GUI - with fullscreen, millions of colours, ethernet, CD-ROM -- the works, using two versions of SDL Basilisk under XP. See link and screenshot at bottom of post. I used the basilisk that has startup sounds -> 30/8/2010

Thanks for posting up the JIT port of BII, I can use this to run QXP 4, when I need to now. I'll be still be using Lauri's port for most other Mac 68k apps tho'

Sharing drives/files between the two is no problem.

You may get ethernet of sorts via SLIRP... but can you set a permanent IP address or run a NAT router from the JIT BII?

The startup sound has also been in Lauri's Win port since 2000...

PS. I have no printer driver or Quark POCE/Colour in the System Folder (no printer available). Even if I dump the prefs, QXP4 does nothing on startup (except recreating prefs). On my real hardware, it recreates precision separation tables, and recreates a list of printer descriptions...hmm.

This is where a permanent IP address, full TCP/IP compatibility and networked postscript printers likely come to the fore - I get networked PS printers available to Basilisk II, from Mac OS's 7.1 through 8.1 at startup. To use QXP 4 and access these from that JIT BII port, I need to save any output to .ps, then boot Lauri's Win port of BII (or copy the .ps to Windows) to do the printing, using either Lauri's port of BII or the host PC, it doesn't matter once I have the .ps file, as Windows, Mac & Linux boxes and Lauri's emulated BII Mac all access the same printers, here.

Have you tried the PPC install of QXP 4 on SheepShaver as yet? This is another one I have had not much luck with. - My SheepShaver on Windows would be the same as what you'd be using here.

@themacmeister: Well, have we come "a ways" yet?
No need to send you my BII prefs tho'... After my initial setting up and reporting that this BII doesn't work for me... it does work, but I had initially set it up to run full screen (what I prefer with my usual BII) - this JIT Windows port of BII does not appear to run in a full screen. Once I changed my settings back to Windowed, not a problem.

Thanks for putting your copy of BII up for me. However, it mostly reminded me of the reasons of just why I don't use this port on Windows.

A brief Basilisk II Windows port history here: Originally a brilliant programmer named "Christian Bauer" produced a Macintosh 68k emulation for UNIX named Basilisk II, this was later ported to other OS's such as BeOS, Amiga, Mac OS X and Windows. The Windows ports split into two groups, there was the "Gwenolé Beauchesne" JIT port - which you posted up and are currently using (its the common port) and the "Lauri Pesonen" Assembly coded port, which IMO is the better of the two, but is the less well known.

For example, with that port you are currently using you get to choose between variations of a Mac IIci and a Mac 900...

With Lauri's port, you can have:

ID: Model Name:

5 (Mac IIci)
7 (Mac IIfx)
14 (Mac Quadra 900)
16 (Mac Quadra 700)
20 (Mac Quadra 950)
21 (Mac LC III)
24 (Mac Centris 650)
29 (Mac Quadra 800)
30 (Mac Quadra 650)
31 (Mac LC II)
38 (Mac IIvi)
39 (Mac Performa 600)
42 (Mac IIvx)
43 (Mac Color Classic)
46 (Mac Centris 610)
47 (Mac Quadra 610)
50 (Mac LC 520)
56 (LCIII+, Performa 460-467)
74 (Mac LC/Performa 550,560)
77 (Mac Color Classic II, Performa 275)
80 (Mac LC/Performa 475-476/20)
81 (Mac LC/Performa 575-578/20)
83 (Mac LC/Performa 475-476)
84 (Mac LC/Performa 475-476/33)
85 (Mac LC/Performa 575-578/25)
86 (Mac LC/Performa 575-578)
87 (Mac Quadra 605/20)
88 (Mac Quadra 605)
89 (Mac Quadra 605/33)

And run your emulation as such a machine using the correct ROM for that model if you wish. My preferred ROM is a Quadra 800 ROM and I run BII as that particular Mac.

You can also load a 68k Mac ROM and it will inform you of its probable name and model of the Mac, it will also determine if that the ROM checksum is bone fide. For example (Lauri's BII port informs me), the ROM file you posted with your BII has a ROM checksum FF7439EE and is likely from a Quadra 605 or an LC/Performa 475/575 and it is of a 32bit clean Mac II ROM type (not a dirty ROM).

Lauri's port can also can read and write to physical SCSI hardware devices (the PC host requires a SCSI card for this) up to 7 ports - SCSI 0 thru' SCSI 6. It read/writes to hardware devices such as obsolete MO & Zip drives and to permanently attached SCSI devices such CD burners, scanners and HDs...

Connected SCSI drives (even old Mac SCSI drives rescued from ancient kit) you can mount directly in Basilisk II and not have them mounted in the host Windows OS.

But the clincher for me, is Lauri's BII Ethernet support: It talks native TCP/IP and supports full (permanent), static IP addresses - This I absolutely require above all. That is, Basilisk II just becomes another Mac on our network here (where all connected machines on the network have permanent defined IP addresses) and sharing of networked printers also a must.

The JIT port's SLIRP is not up to the task. Its the networking of the JIT port that is its weakest point and I think it is the primary source of its crashing all of the time. Not only for the Basilisk II port, but also for SheepShaver, which borrows heavily from the JIT port of BII.

I also run the JIT port of SheepShaver because I don't have a choice. - I have networking turned off on this because it is so unreliable otherwise. But at least it can share common .hfv drives between itself and BII.

However and back to the subject at hand, QXP 4 and BII.

Catch 22:
The JIT BII doesn't appear to support full screen display in Windows OS yet QXP 4 displays text normally.
While Lauri's BII port supports a full screen display, but QXP 4 is having no bar of displaying or printing text in documents.

I can count on one hand the number of programs that don't like working on Lauri's BII Windows port, and QXP 4.x is numero uno! - actually I can't recall the name of the last prog that I've had trouble with on this BII (and I have loaded 100's of progs onto it over the last few years)...

I've worked out that I can toggle the QXP 4 display full screen OK on Lauri's BII, but text display or printing its documents are still a no go.

QXP 3.32x 68k & PPC works 100% without issue tho'

Could you email me your BasiliskPrefs file pls, as I cannot get fullscreen working under DirectX or otherwise. I would be very keen to see the switch used in prefs. I may also need your PRAM file, but I will leave that for the time being.

PS. Quark 4.0 still working SUPERBLY in 15/16 bit in windowed mode -- have tried nearly every feature of the program, and they all work as expected - rock solid stability (I have slight Desktop colour corruption, which should be solved by switching to 15bit).

See here for some preference options and explanations...

http://basilisk.cebix.net/README

@themacmeister: Nope, definitely not the unluckiest person in the world

You screenshot is windowed. I don't run Basilisk windowed, I run my emulator at full screen to try and mimic an actual Mac desktop as much as possible. And thats on a 1600 x 1200 display at millions of colours. Also in your screenshot, I couldn't detect the presence of editable text, there appeared to be graphic bitmapped text as part of an illustration but I wasn't sure if there were editable text fields in there. I could be wrong of cause.

Anyway, I don't get text displaying at all. Since I moved my 68k install to SheepShaver, it works perfectly there, text displays normally and the "Fit to Window" toggle also works 100% as does the rest of the program. If you have a largish display, can you try running your BII with a full screen display and try toggling the "Fit to Window" menu command?

I tried to run the BII you put up, it fails to launch so far, that is, the GUI runs fine and I can set up all of the required parameters OK, but Basilisk II fails to launch. I'll take another look at it later when I have a bit more time to do so.

I went through hours of hell last night, trying to get an old Daewoo (yup, the car manufacturer) computer running XP SP3 so I could then use CD to get stuffit into Basilisk.

Everything failed epicly. USB keyboard would not work (no drivers under SP2) - updated to SP3 and then the computer was fried (C:\Windows\inf\biosinfo.inf missing), F*CK!

I will do a complete wipe and reinstall what I need tonight. Thanks for heads-up on stuffit 5.5 -- you are a legend.

Thanks for the .hfv files. they have saved me, but I really wanted to try MY INTALL, which is perfect, and now I have stuffit, all is good.

more news soon...

Never mind, I discovered the original link to you was still working -- did a PERFECT install on G3 (first time!), I have copied the folder, but need to get working mac installers to Basillisk II without CD, it is impossible. If you could give me a stuffit installer (5.5?) in a small .HFV disk container, I will mount that and get stuffit installed in Basilisk II, the rest is easy! (I have the folder as .hqx stuffit file ready).

Cheers...

PS. Anyone can supply this, doesn't need to come from MikeTomTom only

PPS. 64-bit Windows compatibility

Both the cdenable.sys driver and the basilisk ethernet driver will not work in 64-bit Windows versions. Therefore you can't access cd-roms and can't make appletalk work on these windows versions. You can, however, make .iso images of your cd roms and add them to the volumes list in the BasiliskII GUI. For use internet access us can use the “slirp” option. You can place the cdenable.sys driver in the \Windows\SysWOW64\drivers folder to get rid of the (faulty) error reported about not being able to find the driver in the \windows\system32\drivers folder. The currently available experimental 64-bit GTK package has not been tested with BasiliskII.

Hey Mike, could you possibly stuff, and upload your WORKING basillisk Qyark XPress 4.0 68k folder? I am not in a position to do a successful 68k install here - you can send me the link via reply or email - there should be a button here somewhere...

Sorry for my tardiness in checking this out. I have lost Basilisk II_GUI, so I took a long time getting BasiliskII working again. It now works, and I have space to install/test XPress 4.0. I am currently running System 8.0, hope that is well supported by Q4!

I am also getting latest beta vMac up and running for comparison purposes.

All this running under Win7 64bit - wish me luck!

EDIT: I have the full startup disk and rom collection, System 1.0 to 7.53, for Mini vMac. This should include a working Mac II colour version of Rom/Startup disk. Possibly only 256 colours, but it is a start. Basillisk II still my primary concern tho...

EDIT: My Basilisk II settings -- no CD, Quadra 800, 68040 with FPU enabled (there is a good online reference of a complete Basilisk Preferences file somewhere). I believe all my JIT error reporting is turned off (for non-fatal errors). My Basilisk II launching from executable only works every 2nd launch, need to force quit the second launch ?!

If it actually works for me, I will post my actual BII Prefs, it will need editing for correct paths (and adding CD support under Win 98 - XP)!

Now you have a rebuilt Printer Descriptions, and Preferences file, will copying it back be worth the effort?

When I was having issues with XTensions, I had to remove temp file, and prefs between attempts. Also, is Control-0 mapped to something via BasiliskII?

Time to try the MMU or JIT options in BII, as there are options to ignore major JIT errors (which may be happening when you press Control-0 for instance).

Great to hear you have had limited success!!!

I am going to try tonight with both BII and some custom MiniVMac builds. I know I won't get millions of colours with vMac, but it is worth a try!

EDIT: What OS are you using in BasiliskII? 9.04?

@themacmeister:

did your install actually finish?

The QXP4 IE Standard install, installed beautifully onto my 660AV Mac, on Basilisk II and SheepShaver (running on Intel hardware). Not a hitch anywhere. My upgrade to 4.1 failed initially only because I didn't turn off my System extensions 1st - the ReadMe says to, I ignored this to my peril. Turning off System extensions and running the updater a 2nd time went 100% OK. Ditto for the upgrade to 4.11. There were no incomplete installs from 4.0 through 4.11.

QXP 4.x runs "kind of" on Basilisk II, with the symptoms I described earlier. These same symptoms persist through all of the updates and on various Mac OS's and on B2 installed on different machines.

QXP 4.x does not run on any of my SheepShaver installs to date (although it installs OK)

QXP 3.x (both PPC and 68k) run perfectly on both emulators with no exhibited anomalies and no gotchas.

QXP 5.x (PPC only) runs just as perfectly on SheepShaver.

There is something "funky" about QXP 4.x and emulators, it seems to work properly on actual hardware, so far. Perhaps QXP 4.x requires a MMU and 3.x & 5.x are less fussy.

I hope you fare better on your B2 install.

Yep. I'm confident that QXP 4 will run on actual Mac PPC harware too. It has no problem on actual 68k hardware either.

For my personal needs. I simply do not need this to be running on a Mac PPC 0r PPC emulator. - QXP 5.x runs great there, I really have no need for QXP4.x on a PPC emulator.

I would have rather liked it to be running on a Mac 68k emulator tho' as it was the last version of QXP that could run on the 68k platform and it does have cool features not available to 3.x... My actual 68k hardware supports a display of up to a very limited 832 x 624 pixels at 32k colours Whereas my Basilisk II runs a nice 1600 x 1200 pixel display at native millions of colours. Perfect for QXP but sad, sad, sad for me...

QXP 4 does run on Basilisk II... almost. It installs and runs but there a major problems. For example (on Basilisk II):

QXP 4.0: Launches app, I choose create new document, create text frame, write some text in any font; Save doc. Re-open doc and no text is visible. Print the doc as-is and no text is visible in printed doc.
Re-open file again, click into text frame, type a character and the missing text reappears out of thin air!
Now imagine you have a 300 page QXP doc here and nnn's of text frames to do this to.
The most difficult problem I've struck so far tho' is with the menu option "View > Fit To Window". Choose this and QXP locks up and goes into an endless loop taking up 100% of the host computers CPU time. The only option here is crash the emu altogether.

QXP 4.1: ditto, exactly the same as above, no change.

QXP 4.11: ditto, exactly the same as above, no change.

Out of all this to date. My findings tell me that QXP4.x is not compatible with SheepShaver, outright. It does work to some degree on Basilisk II, but AFA 68k emulation goes, QXP3.x is by far the better choice - so much more reliable and does everything I ask of it.

I'm thinking that if I want to get QXP4 working to how I'd like it to be working I'd better be hanging out in eBay 24/7 waiting for that odd Quadra 800 to come up for sale

@themacmeister: I knew what you had meant
I also mentioned, QXP 5.x has no problem running in SheepShaver (with all of its XTensions enabled) running on the same OS, same fonts, etc etc...
I won't be pursuing it further on SheepShaver. But I will be trying my best to get 4.x to work on Basilisk, where I really would like it to work.

Perhaps someone else will try version 4 out and get some positive results with it and the emulators. I hope so (and hopefully they'll share their "how to's").

@themacmeister:

Have you tried disabling ALL xtensions?!

Yes, and I think that I've tried just about every trick in the book to get this to work (perhaps someone else is having better luck than me on SheepShaver & Basilisk II, running QXP 4). It gets to the splashscreen and no further for me.

I won't be running this on SheepShaver in the long term, I'm just testing it out to see if it works... I run QXP 5 on SheepShaver and 5 has no problem running on it, full Xtensions included

But I would like to get it working on Basilisk II, so I'll persevere a bit longer on that angle and try to get it going on B2... The SheepShaver tho', isn't looking too promising.

P7, you are a legend!

MikeTomTom, that is very sad to hear - I have the IE 4.11 updater (Isn't it included in the archive??). I will search my backups.

Have you tried disabling ALL xtensions?! It was actually crashing badly on real G3 hardware, until I disabled *many* incompatible XTensions. You can safely disable Index, and anything that looks unnecessary.

Also, after a crash, dump the temp file, and the Quark XPress Preferences file - it will get rebuilt next start.

I don't want you to have to install too much, but could you install Suitcase 8/9 as well?

This is how I used XPress for many years. Also, antialised fonts require Thousands/Millions of colours.

PS. 3.32 has more "compatible" xtensions, so may be a better fit in the end. It is very unstable tho.

PPS. Judging by this post, I should not become a screenwriter

Thanks Protocol 7!

Much appreciated!

Will installing ATM under Basilisk fix the font display issue? It really relied on ATM for any semblance of correct text display -- almost unusable without it.

PS. I went for a job at a major local newspaper recently, and they had no printer fonts available, so it was all bitmap text display, and it was horrible (and still using Quark 3.x on the PC!!)

My version on here is 4.1 anyways

I should have it somewhere...?!

I Don't recall anything controversial about Quark 4.0. Like all major XPress releases, the default file format was not compatible with 3.x, you had to specifically save it as 3.x document (and lose a mystery amount of formatting). There were issues with custom lines, and hyphenation, but it was just a matter of remembering to send the two extra files with the document. I know the 4.1 update came out almost immediately, which means there was a major issue that was fixed pronto!

PS. Quark XPress 4.11 updater available HERE -> http://main.system7today.com/software/quark/quark.html

I have Quark XPress version 6 & 8 for Windows tucked away on disc somewhere -- will never use them...

I'm using Adobe CS3 at the moment (Mac & PC), and couldn't be happier.

PS. Yes, WYSIWYG were fond of full page ads They are mainly a short run colour printer now, and probably have 6 Indigo digital presses. I remember when they bought the first model, and dues to contract stipulations, they had to buy TWO, and each came with 1 technician and 1 operator for a year. Well worth it at >AUS$1,000,000 a piece!

(shudders) Just thinking of the hoops I went through trying to get !*^%#*!!! Passport to install

I worked for a large postscript bureau, and I can tell you that Passport was hated UNIVERSALLY, even by professionals it was designed for...

You will know the bureau, it starts with W and ends with G.

@themacmeister:

Hope it works for you Mike!

Thank you and a resounding YES!
HQX arrived safely and now installed (and running) on a 68 k Mac, destined also for Basilisk II. And it has a Brit dictionary - I couldn't ask for anything more. A great success. (shudders) Just thinking of the hoops I went through trying to get !*^%#*!!! Passport to install

Cheers and thanks, I hope you have a great New Year.

Uploading now - ETA 1 hour.

Also included Install Floppy image (unlocked) and Registration Floppy Disk image (unlocked). I may have used the Install floppy before, so it may come up with a default serial number and reg info. I deleted the registration info from the reg floppy, so it might not?! YMMV. This can be easily changed with Renamer for 4.0. Also, when holding option and selecting About Quark XPress, the reg info doesn't show up anyway?!?! (it does with 3.x).

Anyway standby for the download link...

40min remaining

PS. I stuffed it, then HQXed it, and it is now a manageable 82MB!!!

@themacmeister: Great - I hope it goes OK for you. Umm, if you haven't used it for a while, everything about RS has changed. The old uploader may not even be necessary. All of my afore mentioned uploads were made without it and I only have a free account with RS. I guess the most significant upload I made for here, was the BeOS iso which is several 100 Megs and AFAIK, it is still available for DL after a couple of months+ and is non-expiring. So see how it goes for you.

All the best and have a great day tomorrow. Cheers.

@themacmeister:

ShrinkWrap 2.1
BeOS Preview Release 230105
Apple IIGS Emulator, GUS

All of the above carry alternative rapidshare uploads I've made previosly that have as yet, not been made available for direct DL from here. Check the above links for yourself to see if they are useable (you may need to look for the alternative links on these pages). Anyway, they are are available to all here as far as I can tell. So members only? No, I really don't think so. Perhaps in the past but in the last couple of months or so, as I mentioned before, up to 500 MB file uploads and it is easy to do so for everybody.

@themacmeister: Rapidshare is exclusive? [Pauline Hanson mode on] Please Explain? [Pauline Hanson mode off] - No worries. Whatever you decide suits you, is OK by me.