Can't get .sit games to work in Basilisk ii

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2012, August 25 - 3:43am

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Can't get .sit games to work in Basilisk ii

Hello. I went through the entire Basilisk ii setup for Windows (I use Vista) and I made sure I downloaded everything needed. I even know the emulator works because I was able to play a .TOAST file, Spaceship Warlock. I am having problems though with most of the games I want to play which are .sit files. I use Stuffit Expander and Aladdin Expander but an error always occurs and says:
"The data read from this archive or encoded file was not in the expected format."
It then closes and nothing new is made. When I try to expand the .sit when in Basilisk ii using Aladdin Expander, either the file just says Open and then nothing happens or it says Expand and then nothing happens. If I double click the .sit file in Basilisk ii it says:
"The document "Dinopark_Tycoon.SIT" could not be opened, because the application program that created it could not be found. Could not find a translation extension with appropriate translators."

What do I do to get playing these games? I'm new to this emulation thing.

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2012, August 25 - 11:24am

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what version of stuffit do you have ? and basilisk and sheep are not for any kind of mac. the first 1 is more for the 68k aera and the 2. for the ppc up to os 9.04 i believe. do not try to extract any of the files in windows you loose the ressource fork and that file is trash. try to mount it with poweriso and make it available under the emu. i mean the images like toast wich is just a copy of a cd/dvd. when it comes to sit hqx and so on try to use the latest version available which is for os9 7.0.3 i think. there are some images IMG. i had success with toast and some with disk tools when it comes to mounting. try it or give some details about stuffit version and disk tools version.

2012, August 26 - 4:48am

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I downloaded Stuffit 5.5.1. What is "mounting" and what is "poweriso" and how do I do that? What's "disk tools version?"

2012, August 25 - 4:33pm

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Bootbie,

For that dino park file don't double click on the archive. Manually browse and select it in Stuffit. When you transfer the stuffit archives over from Windows, often they lose the creator info, so Stuffit expander won't always recognize them automatically.

Make sure you are using Stuffit 5, also.

2012, August 26 - 4:44am

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@Watchsmart: I redownloaded Dinopark tycoon and opened Stuffit Browser and I went through all the folders and clicked on Dinopark.sit and then File and then Expand but it says Cannot Expand. Unsupported Archieve Format.

2012, August 26 - 5:25am

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@watchsmart:

--->Make sure you are using Stuffit 5, also.<---

I seem to recall that this SIT file will not open with Stuffit 5. However I was able to unpack it with UnStuffit under OS X 3.9. I don't know if that will assist in your advice to Bootbie.

2012, August 26 - 8:33am

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@mrdav: Quite correct. It appears that this game was stuffed using a higher compression in Stuffit under OS X.

I've re-packaged it using an earlier Stuffit version for a better backwards compatibility, and uploaded it to the Dinopark Tycoon page. Use the temporary DL in that page for the meantime.

2012, August 26 - 4:27pm

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I downloaded the temporary download and I used Stuffit Browser to expand it and it worked, but it made a folder with 1 file named DinoPark Tycoon and it is 0mb. I tried putting it into Basilisk ii with HFV Explorer and then I loaded up the emulator and tried to expand it there, but it only says "Open," not "Expand." I tried to Open it and nothing happens. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong.

2012, August 27 - 1:47am

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@Bootbie:

I downloaded the temporary download and I used Stuffit Browser to expand it and it worked, but it made a folder with 1 file named DinoPark Tycoon and it is 0mb.

I think I know whats going on here (because that DinoPark I repackaged is OK and not 0mb). If you are opening files in the "shared drive"(1), don't. This will wreck your files. The shared drive is only for moving files to and from the host PC and the emulator. You need to move files into the emulator's hard drive, before you start using them.

[Edit] (1) By "shared drive" I mean that you have the 'Enable "My Computer" icon on your Mac desktop (external file system)' option checked in the Basilisk II Settings dialog for Windows. If so, don't run/use/extract files on this drive. Copy them into a mounted Mac disk image 1st - i.e; the emulator's desktop drive[s], before attempting to use them.

I tried putting it into Basilisk ii with HFV Explorer and then I loaded up the emulator and tried to expand it there, but it only says "Open," not "Expand." I tried to Open it and nothing happens.

Files you move across from the host PC will have "generic" white icons. This is because certain info about old Macintosh files (in the resource fork of the file) get lost in transit. Double-clicking them, the Mac will not know what application to use to open them, so you can get all kinds of un-helpful messages. But, because the files that travel between PCs tend to be compressed archives, such as ".SIT", you (usually) only need to drag the file's icon onto the icon of Stuffit Expander and let the mouse go. Stuffit Expander will launch and expand the file. Just remember to do this only in the emulators hard drive. HTH

2012, August 26 - 5:20am

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whats your mac os version ?

2012, August 26 - 4:22pm

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I don't understand. My computer is a Windows Vista. All I downloaded was Basilisk ii

2012, August 26 - 4:32pm

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By the way guys, I'm getting the same issues with Kids Pix Studio (1995) and Thinkin Things 1.

2012, August 26 - 5:27pm

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what do the icons look like ? plain white and type document instead of archive ? that is a reason why he is not doing anything when you double click on it in basilisk.

2012, August 26 - 8:20pm

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Yes. All icons are plain white.

2012, August 26 - 9:06pm

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Should we help out Bootbie and create a special disk image with the games wanted?
A .img in a Zip container might work, as is could be inflated with Vista and mounted in the BasiliskII GUI.

Bootbie, what games are you after in the first place?

2012, August 27 - 3:15pm

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Or the files are .img files which needs to be opened with Disk Copy 6.3 (within the emulated Mac OS system)

2012, August 28 - 2:43am

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Guys, the expanding works when I go to Enable My Computer from the mac and then drag the file onto Stuffit from the mac, BUT I am now having issues with other games, like Thinkin things and Just Grandma and Me and Putt Putt Saves the Zoo. I try to expand the first two but it says that a Dropit Stuffit or Stuffit Deluxe would probably help in a popup message and when I try Putt Putt it looks like the box when you minimize something but nothing happens.

The games that I just want to play are Just Grandma and Me, Putt Putt Saves the Zoo,Thinkin Things 1 and 2, and that Tortoise and the Hare game.
I got Dino Park Tycoon to work

2012, August 28 - 11:52am

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Just made this file for you: http://www.mediafire.com/?j44s84y21jsrl41
Its a "Tortoise and Hare" image compressed with 7Zip. After inflating, add it in the Volumes pane of the BII GUI and it should show up on your emulated Mac´s destop.
If this works for you, the other games could be pepared the same way.

2012, August 28 - 2:57pm

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Whenever I try to add other games straight from my computer to GUI Volumes, I go into the emulator and it says I need to initialize stuff so I click OK and it says something about it losing data and it just creates empty drives. And sometimes when I drag files to the expander in the emulator, like this new Tortoise and Hare file, it says "The Shrinkwrap engine has reported an error."

2012, August 28 - 11:51pm

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I click OK and it says something about it losing data and it just creates empty drives.

As mentioned before. You are trying to open, or run, or extract files that are on the shared drive. You must move files to a mounted Mac drive, before you do this. The shared drive is for moving files between the Mac and host PC.

I extracted it with 7zip and then opened GUI and added the .img then it was suddenly on the mac's desktop! Weee!!!

This is because the ".img" mounts as a Mac drive in the emulator.

Mac drive = Good
Shared drive = Bad (for running files on)

Files need to be moved into a Mac drive before using them.

2012, August 28 - 4:52pm

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Did you inflate the file with 7Zip in Vista resulting in a Totoise & Hare.img?
Did you create a big enough volume for the emulated Mac to work with - 2GB for example?
Did you create a clean System installation for BasiliskII - new from scratch?
Did you assign enough RAM to BII? (sorry for all the "did yous", just to make sure)

The file I uploaded plays fine for me with a Win7 host.
Mounting a IMG file with the BII GUI should work flawlessly, unless there is something wrong with the setup.
The img can also be mounted within BII, given that you copied it to the emulated HD - not to the desktop - and opened it with DiskCopy6.
Double clicking the img in BII may not work if the resource fork is bad.
Its easy to fix that, create a new DC6 image somewhere and restore the resource fork with CreatorChanger or similar by using your fresh image as master/source. http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/creator-changer-284-0
After the fix you can mount the NDIF IMG by double click.

NDIF = Apple's New Disk Image Format, being introduced with Disk Copy 6.0.

2012, August 28 - 8:43pm

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WAAAH! It's like Heaven when I get the game working!!! I needed 7Zip and I extracted it with 7zip and then opened GUI and added the .img then it was suddenly on the mac's desktop! Weee!!! Could ya help me get Grandma and Me, Kids Works 2, and Thinkin Things 1+2?

There's also a game I don't remember what it's called, but it starts with this red book opening up and this music and all these things float around the book and eventually inside it. From there I can create a story by dragging images and adding sound effects and making text like "One day..." and then when I hit play it flips slowly to the 3 pages. 3 pages max for a story.

2012, August 29 - 4:13am

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I still don't understand what a "shared drive" is and what a "mac drive" is. Should I just download a .sit from this site, open up 7zip, extract it to my desktop, then open up GUI, add the extracted item to the Volumes, and then it should ready to go on the mac desktop?

2012, August 29 - 5:00am

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Shared drive = My Computer

Mac drive = the drives you've added to the emulator's drives list using the Basilisk GUI

2012, August 29 - 5:17am

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No, Zzip doesn't extract ".sit" AFAIK. If it could, it would destroy the contents of the .sit, unless the .sit contained a ".img" which can be mounted on the BII desktop as a Mac drive. Or if the .sit file contained files that don't matter so much, like .jpg & .txt etc.

In reference to Mac emulators, such as Basilisk II, a "Mac drive" is a file that has been formated for use in a Macintosh operating system. It mounts on the Basilisk II desktop as a disk drive icon. If you were using actual Mac hardware this would be the physical hard disk inside the Mac computer.

A shared drive on the other hand, also mounts on the Mac desktop of the emulator. It does this when you have the 'Enable "My Computer" icon on your Mac desktop (external file system)' option checked in the Basilisk II Settings dialog for Windows.

However, the shared drive is a special drive that is meant only for transferring files that you've downloaded to the PC (such as .sit) across to a mounted Mac drive. Before you start using these files.

So then. If you use this shared drive feature. You need to transfer the ".sit" etc; files from the shared drive over into a mounted Mac drive before you try to do anything with it. This will be any other mounted drive icon on the Mac desktop (by default, located up in the top right corner of the emulators window). Drag a ".sit" icon from the shared drive window into a mounted Mac drive window and release the mouse. Work only on files that you've transferred to a Mac drive.

You can create a folder inside of a mounted Mac drive and make a shortcut (alias) to it on the desktop, select folder you made to hilight it, then go "File" menu, "Make Alias" submenu to create the shortcut and place this onto the desktop. Then you can drag ".sit" files etc from the shared drive onto the folder's shortcut dumping them in the right place that is safe for the files to work on.

2012, August 29 - 7:26pm

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Could ya help me get Grandma and Me, Kids Works 2, and Thinkin Things 1+2?

Yes, I´ll make 7Zipped images just the same from those tonight, if nobody else chimes in.
Usually its not recommended to archive files with 7Zip, but I guess we can make an exception here. I dont recall the story board game you asked for. Someone else will remember.

On the other hand, MikeTomTom pointed out very clearly, how you could help yourself with the sit deflated items.

Edit: Sorry but it will take somewhat longer to prepare your games.
I promise not to forget!

2012, August 30 - 2:12pm

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That's okay. You're doing a big favor for me, and I appreciate that. I can wait ^_^

2012, August 29 - 11:32am

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Thanks guys. I'll try this when I get back home from College. Until then I'll also be waiting for those files. Sorry but I need extra help XD I'm stupid lol

2012, August 30 - 4:24pm

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So here is some more:
Kid Works 2: http://www.mediafire.com/?5hsia06bu70i547
Just Grandma and Me: http://www.mediafire.com/?k0tlilt6dy1pv24
Thinkin Things Collection2: http://www.mediafire.com/?80l3l461cci83wn

Thinkin Things1 is on DC4.2 images already, I would recommend to unstuff the file from within BasiliskII.
Some other fun stuff is collected here: http://www.mediafire.com/?j2bta8d8yxecw
If you find the time, set up SheepShaver as well. It is much faster decompressing sit files and you can run Stuffit7 as well.

2012, August 30 - 10:00pm

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I don't know what SheepShaver is really ;o
By the way, can you tell me again how to get these files to work? Step by step. I download it and then it's on my desktop in a folder I made as a zip file. Then what?

2012, August 31 - 3:43am

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What is SheepShaver?

Setting it up [for Windows users].

2012, September 2 - 7:11am

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Could you tell me the steps you did in order to turn the things downloaded from this site into .img ?
I downloaded a .zip file from Abandonware and I figured how how to get Disk Copy 6.3.3 but all I can manage to do is turn the file into a sit and back to img but when I try to work with the img it makes an icon that looks like a floppy but it is the same thing, containing the files but all as word documents. The created img file from the zip should have been a working img that would launch the game... I don't get it... I'm just trying to get The Backyard, Oregon Trail Deluxe, Story Book Weaver (NOT DELUXE), and Putt Putt Joins The Parade.

2012, September 2 - 8:57am

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Disk Copy 6.3.3 .... I don't get it...

Download the manual (PDF) from the Disk Copy Page, here.

Written for version 6.1.2, but totally relevant for 6.3.3

2012, August 31 - 4:46am

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Never mind. I got the files to work. Now about SheepShaver, I know where the setup page is but WHAT is Sheepshaver for when I have Basilisk ii?

2012, August 31 - 7:18am

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They emulate two diffrent generations of Mac/Apple computers.
Basilisk II emulates a Mac with a 68k/Motorola CPU and is capable of running OS's up to 8.1
SheepShaver emulates a PowerPC Mac capable of running OS's up to 9.0.4

The main diffrence here is the CPU's and the software from each generation. Some SW runs on 68k CPU only, preferably the older. Some runs on PowerPC only, likely the newer and some runs on both.

Really old OS's and SW runs under emulators like MinivMac which mimics early compact Macs, like the SE, Plus or SE30 and runs Mac OS's from 1.0 up to 7.x

It all depends on the demands of the SW you want run, which OS and emulator to choose.
HTH!

2012, August 31 - 5:14pm

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Oh I see Well, all my games go up to at max 1995. I wasn't alive during the black-and-white days XD I bet it was a ton of fun... Wish I was born earlier. I'm a 93 baby, in my opinion, last good generation before this weird, nooby 2000 generation. I can proudly say, I remember when the internet was new XD

2012, September 2 - 10:54pm

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Need help still ;o;

2012, September 2 - 11:48pm

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Need help still

Start up Disk Copy 6.3 - Go to "Edit" menu, "Preferences" sub-menu. In prefs dialog click onto "Image Format" pop-up if it reads "Read-Only Compressed" and choose "Read-Only" instead.

"Why?" You might ask. Because "Read-Only Compressed" Disk images cannot be mounted as a disk drive in an emulator, such as Basilisk II or SheepShaver. So set Disk Copy to creating "Read-Only" disk image files from the get-go and you'll get less disasters.

Leave Disk Copy for the moment and as an experiment in making a Disk Copy image file;

1). First create a folder and give it a name.
2). Place a few files into the folder.
3). Start up Disk Copy 6.3 so you can see its window and the folder you made (closed)
4). Drag closed folder you made onto Disk Copy window, let mouse go.
5). Save it as an image file (Read-Only) to some location on your (Mac) drive.

Those are basic steps to creating a disk image file. You can also (for step 4) in Disk Copy, go to "Image" menu, "Create Image from Folder" sub-menu (or use "Command" + "J" shortcut), and navigate to where the folder you created is. But dragging folder onto Disk Copy's window is quickest.

There is much more you can do with Disk Copy. Read the PDF User Guide manual if you're interested in getting more out of this program.

2012, September 3 - 12:20am

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I did what you said and I created a new icon, a floppy disk icon, and when I click it it opens up to all the game's files(the stuff that SHOULD be all squished into an img and work together to launch into a program) I put into it and they are blank icons. There's no executable game in it or anything but the files from within the game.
...Is there something specific I should put in the new folder? Like an img (not its files? I only have a zip of the game and if I unzip it it gives me the folder with the game's files. No img)

2012, September 3 - 1:15am

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Sounds like to me that you are still trying to do things to files on the shared drive, not the Mac drive.

If you can't get your head around what the shared drive is, you should turn that feature off and have only Mac drives mount on the BII desktop. Use HFVExplorer to move files to the Mac drives if necessary.

Anyway, creating Disk Copy image files requires using a Mac (including Mac emulators like BII and SheepShaver). Nothing here can be done using the shared drive or on Windows itself. Must be done entirely in the Mac (or Mac emulator) drives.

2012, September 3 - 1:23am

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Okay so tell me the steps. I will only touch HFV and the Mac Emulator. I went to Abandonware and downloaded Story Book Weaver. It is a zip file. The zip file contains a folder with many little files in it that are all unreadable. What should I do with this zip?

2012, September 2 - 11:23pm

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Use MagicISO to create img files: http://www.magiciso.com/download.htm
Then use Disk Copy to mount them.
How to make the disk image: http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/miso-createfloppyimage.htm

2012, September 3 - 12:06am

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I made an IMA file. I can't even make an img I followed the tutorial

2012, September 2 - 11:50pm

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do you need basilisk or can you handle sheepshaver ?

2012, September 3 - 12:21am

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I don't understand sheepshaver, I have a Windows Vista. If I could just figure out basilisk I won't need sheep.

2012, September 3 - 12:28am

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thats why i said i got a functional setup to get used to it.

2012, September 3 - 12:18am

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do you have a intel mac ? i can give you a setup to start and then you go from there but it is a few gigs in size

2012, September 3 - 12:29am

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i send you a mail

2012, September 3 - 12:37am

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I replied.

2012, September 3 - 2:54am

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Change the .ima extension by renaming it img.

2012, September 3 - 3:05am

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downloaded Story Book Weaver. It is a zip file

Can you supply a screenshot of the unzipped file's contents? It would help to see what it is you are getting.

Anyway, zip files can be a problem for extracting on old Mac systems. And because this particular zip file contains a bunch of files and not an .img that you can mount as a drive in BII, you have to get it into your BII's drive to be able to extract the contents and use them OK.

Once you get them into the BII's drive, you can try to extract them using Stuffit Expander. If that doesn't work then you can try using MacZip from here. You'd need to install this on BII first. Also to use MacZip, its best just to drop a zip file onto the icon of MacZip and let the mouse go and let MacZip do its thing.

However. If that zip file was created by someone using Mac OS X, then its a good chance you won't be able to use it at all, unless it gets unzipped on a Mac OS X system. Which is why I'd like to see a screenshot of the contents. It would be obvious to see if you can use this zip file or not.