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ibook back from the dead?

Just curious if anyone has had a similar experience: Last summer I bought an ibook g4 1.33 on craigslist. It was in seemingly pristine condition with a good battery for 100.00 cdn (owner even threw in a nice case and an iPod shuffle!). I had no real use for it and just booted it up every now and then. In February, my gal brought it on vacation and reported it stopped booting up (flashing question mark). When she brought it back I tried everything from diskwarrior to reinstalling the OS. nothing-the hard disk couldn't even be detected. So i put it away figuring i'd find a cheap hd to replace it with someday. Anyway, yesterday I decide to boot it up for no particular reason and voila- it goes straight to the desktop no problem. I ran diskwarrior again and it reported only minor errors. I'm not sure if this is just a short reprieve before it crashes permanently but it's been working ever since.

Sorry, for the long post but this seems weird plus the almost exact same thing happened a few years ago with an ibook g3! (which works fine to this day) Is this an ibook phenomena? Is there a hardware test i could run on the disk to see if it's dying? Any ideas?

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Had a similar experience a few weeks ago when an iMac wasn't booting up at all on a rather hot and humid afternoon. I left it, and promised myself that if I ever got it started again, I'd back up all the files on it.

The next morning, it worked as normal, and has worked fine since. I still backed it up, to be safe.

I attribute the problem to the heat.

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update: Well, I couldn't leave well enough alone. I've been booting and using this machine daily since it's resurrection with no problems. Today I started up from a 10.4 install disk in order to change the previous owners password and got an infographic instruction screen with no words that i'd never seen before and couldn't quit out of. I force restarted and tried it again. after another force restart i got the blinking question mark again. Oh well, back into the closet ye infernal machine-see you in another six months! Oh and this is embarrassing, i just figured out the "mysterious" info graphic screen was simply telling me to insert batteries into my mouse, even though none was plugged in ( i guess the trackpad isn't detected by the install disk software?) *face palm*

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Sounds like a lot of flaky stuff going on with that Ibook......If you like a challenge you could try replacing the hd cable could be a short in that or replace that drive...
Could be a lose connection somewhere.....Could be the beginnings of the mobo going bad....I had one of these and it did other weird things aside from what is in this article...
http://macintoshhowto.com/hardware/article.html

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My iMac's screen stopped displaying about a month later (i.e. October 2014): when I turned it on, the power button remained orange, and it would not boot up.

At first I took it to the local Macintosh suppliers - but they said they had stopped supporting this iMac for ages, and that there was nothing they could do. I thought it was a motherboard problem - as did they, and so I opted to purchase and install a new motherboard.

No noticeable effect. Discovered, after some further research, that this problem could be caused by the overheating of wires leading to the CRT screen. Working on this basis, I opted to attach the iMac to an external monitor - first by purchasing a Macintosh to VGA Monitor Adapter (from DV Warehouse) and later buying an extension cable (Monoprice 6ft DB15 M/F 1:1 Molded Cable - Beige) from Amazon.

It worked - and now I can use my old iMac again by linking it up with an external monitor. Though some games (like Terminal Velocity) don't seem to work under this new set up, the rest do.

Lesson: if replacing an apparently faulty part doesn't fix a machine, it is likely that the fault lies somewhere else.

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Lesson: if replacing an apparently faulty part doesn't fix a machine, it is likely that the fault lies somewhere else.

OR there was more than one fault to begin with.

OR in fixing the first fault, you created the second.

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Sounds like something on the analog board has died, the flyback transformer is quite notorious for failing on these. But I have also heard of these having bad caps on the analog board

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The flyback high voltage can be check with a smal neon lamp by puting it near the big red wire.
it should glow if the horizontal section is ok.

Please keep one hand in your poket while doing this and dont touch anything "Nasty Shock Ahead"
If you have an High Voltage probe use it sould be near to 15 / 20 kvolts.

The high voltage rectifier can be check by replacing it cost less than a flyback an easier to find.
The driver and horizontal transistors output need to be check with a vom or dvm for short and open.
you need to remove them for a good check, also check the horizontal oscillator,the damper diode,
there could also be a high voltage regulator in there not shure in the last model tv set using a crt there was one and it was very hard to troubleshoot those model.
and if everything check ok the power supply need to be check for voltage,open and short,transitors,
diode and the big filter capacitors make a visual check for any trace of leakage on those if so replace
them with new one of the same value.
I use to do all this before replacing a flyback transformer.
Hope you find something useful in my post a long time ago i use to make repair on tv & guitar amplifier.

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A few thing i miss last night for the iMac;
there might be a high voltage tripler in there,those replace the hv rectifier with a smaler flyback to cut the cost down i've replace quit a lot of these it' a smal gray box with 3 wires on top.

For the power supply;
Check the regulator voltage you sould have one 5 volt and one 12 volt dc sometime there a minus 5&12Vdc also you should find one at about 140 Vdc

Swapping board would be easier if you have access to a good iMac
There a very good information here that apply to repair the SE/30 have a look and good luck.
http://www.biwa.ne.jp/%7Eshamada/fullmac/repairEng.html

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Thanks for all the information and instructions.

'The driver and horizontal transistors output need to be check with a vom or dvm for short and open.'

Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly are a vom or dvm?

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Digital Volt Meter or Volt Ohm Meter

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Thanks sfp1954 you are right, i should have specified.