I'm in Illinois with a couple of functioning 1.4MB drives, one of which is hooked up to a G3. Will that be sufficient to image Russ's software? If so, I would be happy to help.
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2013, July 27 - 6:06pm
#52
2013, July 29 - 8:41am
#53
That should be entirely sufficient. Many thanks for your help.
2013, July 30 - 3:21pm
#54
OK your help is very welcome, grawlix.computing !
Could you contact him, please ? His contact page is here.
2013, August 7 - 11:27pm
#55
I received Ventura Publisher 3.0 in the mail today and have hastily put up disk images. There is a lot of material here, and I'm going to work to put it up, but there is a lot. At any rate some questions have already sprung up about what I'm doing:
Q1) I used Disk Copy 4.2 to make images of the five 800K disks. I immediately locked the images after they were created. I then stuffed them with Stuffit 5.5. Is this suitable or should I have used different versions of those utilities?
Q2) There is currently no description of the package. I do not know a lot about it. It's tempting to grab the first few paragraphs from wikipedia, but I'm not sure if that's good form. Hopefully someone can flesh that out.
Q3) The product's serial number is apparently embedded into the disks, but I managed to capture it when make a screenshot of the About screen. Is that ok?
Q4) There are a ton of manuals. Does anyone have a scanner and a couple months of their time to donate?
2013, August 8 - 1:46am
#56
@grawlex.computing: Thank you for imaging this rare DTP program.
Disk Copy 4.2 is the program to use when imaging original Macintosh floppy media (& you have the hardware to do it). Thank you.
Locking the images before stuffing is good, but also locking the floppy media before imaging is also wise as the Finder will write to floppy media as it ejects the disk if its unlocked (updates the floppy's desktop database). One of the disks you imaged was unlocked and got time stamped as it was ejected (the Examples Disk). But all of these disks had been mounted unlocked at some time (in 1994) - they aren't exactly "virgin" anyway so it doesn't matter too much, just a future FYI.
Stuffit 5.5 is the best all-round version to use for stuffing. I tend to use Stuffit 3.6 on media this old if its designed for earlier than SSW 7 as Stuffit 5.5 won't run in SSW 6. But 5.5 is a good all-rounder for most archiving purposes.
A few choice quotes from Wikipedia won't hurt, especially if you cite or blockquote & name your source.
No probs with the screenshots either, (excellent shots of the disk media).
No to volunteering for the scanning from me, tho'- I have a huge backlog of manual's scanning I've been meaning to do of my own... 
2013, August 8 - 2:52am
#57
Another pile of questions for you: Was there a file format change between Stuffit 3.6 and 5.5? Do you know where I can find a clean copy of Stuffit 3.6? Will it run on Mac OS 9.2.2, and along side of Stuffit 5.5?
2013, August 8 - 3:48am
#58
There is a change in the formats - as Stuffit 3.6 cannot unstuff 5.5 and later archives. However, 5.5 and later can unstuff 3.6 archives.
I use Stuffit Lite 3.6 - The lite version contains no system extensions that probably could cause conflicts with Stuffit 5.5.
A good copy of 3.6 lite can be found in the info-mac archives such as this info-mac ftp site page.
Look for "stuffit-lite-36.hqx. . . . . . . Nov 16 1999 848K" in the page listing.
Compatibility; Yes this will run alongside 5.5 and on Mac OS 9.2.2* - However I think 3.6 is better placed on a pre-OS 8.1 system. It pays to test any archives you make using 3.6 by unstuffing them using 5.5 or later on post 8.1 systems, before you post them up (or delete originals).
*I currently don't have a 9.2.2 OS available to test for sure. It is working OK for me on 9.0.4
2013, August 8 - 5:03am
#59
I tried that resource, but I don't think the installer is working right on 9.2.2 with Stuffit Deluxe 5.5 already installed. The installer's icon looks like an archive fragment, and the already installed version of Stuffit just runs when I try to execute it.
Stuffit 1.5.1 appears to run alright and I've been able to create an archive, albeit with some tedium, that unpacks with 5.5. Stuffit 1.5.1 used to be the gold standard in pre-System 7 days, so maybe I'll go with it.
2013, August 8 - 5:53am
#60
I had that issue in the past. Are you decompressing in the desktop? Try anywhere but the desktopp.
2013, August 8 - 2:24pm
#61
I had that issue in the past. Are you decompressing in the desktop? Try anywhere but the desktop.
Thanks, that did it. I'll put put a different archive shortly.
2013, August 8 - 6:48am
#62
I don't think the installer is working right on 9.2.2 with Stuffit Deluxe 5.5 already installed.
The file that you've DL'd is ".hqx" - If you use any Mozilla variant to DL, e.g. Firefox, Seamonkey, etc. There is a known issue with DL'ing .hqx files and using those browsers which can cause corruption in .hqx files.
That is, you need to right-click (or Ctrl-click with one button_mouse) to bring up a save to dialog to DL .hqx files correctly without corruption. The Stuffit Lite 3.6 file from the above location in my previous post should DL OK and the resulting .hqx should have the MD5 checksum, filesize & filename: 6705bcfb31d88dc215f8210998553777 848K *stuffit-lite-36.hqx - if not it is likely to have DL'd corrupted.
It installs OK on my machine. I also discovered that I have a 9.2.2 installed, just one that I can't boot up to. Its "Classic" on my G4 iBook. - Stuffit 3.6 installs correctly on classic too, as well as having Stuffit Deluxe 5.5 installed on Classic and Stuffit Standard version 8 running on Tiger.
Stuffit 3.6 runs fine under Classic on my G4 iBook's 10.4.11 Tiger install. It also appears not to stuff OS X hidden files; - This is a new discovery for me 
2013, August 8 - 7:28am
#63
Ventura Publishing 3.0 is a great addition to this website.
I am looking forward to the addition of Mac Interleaf Publisher, that piece of software seems to be even far more rare.
2013, August 8 - 2:27pm
#64
I am looking forward to the addition of Mac Interleaf Publisher...
I already have the disks imaged. The label adhesive had broken down they were sort of a mess. Also, I forgot to lock a couple of the disks before inserting them. If I can get the software up and running on an emulator and get some screenshots, I'll put it up today.
2013, August 8 - 8:59am
#65
grawlinx.computing, thanks a lot!
Regarding the printed material, I do not need it. If you do not want to store it, maybe you want to ask Dan:
http://macintoshgarden.org/forum/dans-20th-century-abandonware
and
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Daniels-Legacy-Computer-Collections/20922...
if he is willing to take the material and preserve it in his wast storage.
2013, August 8 - 4:28pm
#66
Interleaf Publisher is giving me some fits. I have imaged the disks and moved them on to a Mac OS 7.5.3 Mac IIci emulation in Basilisk. I unlocked all of those disk images, because it looks like there is some sort of registration write-back upon installation.
When I run the installer, it shows that it has already been registered, but when proceeding with the hard disk installation, it asks me to insert the installer disk. That image is already mounted and is the source of the installer app. I've also tried mounting all 16 (unlocked) disk images so it can theoretically find anything it needs. Still, it cannot see the disk in front of its face.
Suggestions?
2013, August 8 - 5:28pm
#67
Is it a Basilisk-specific problem or does it not work on your G3, too ?
Remember Interleaf was created when System 6 was latest on Macintosh, perhaps the installer is not compatible with Mac OS 7 ?
What says the Manual about the installation procedure ?
Are these 1.44k (HD) or 800k (DD) disks, perhaps your disk drive is not fully compatible or the disk image format was not the right one (non-standard disk format) ?
Was it dongle-protected software (if yes perhaps some cracking work is necessary) ?
If the installer writes back registration information to its disk, perhaps it allows only one registration at all (need to remove that information first for another install) ?
Perhaps someone can look in this who has more experience in these things.
Edit: Replaced 'xxx 7' by 'Mac OS 7' - IIGS User
2013, August 8 - 7:31pm
#68
Is it a Basilisk-specific problem or does it not work on your G3, too ?
Remember Interleaf was created when System 6 was latest on Macintosh, perhaps the installer is not compatible with Mac OS 7 ?
My G3 is running Mac OS 9.2.2, and probably cannot run anything below 8.0. At any rate, I have to stick with 9.2.2 because of my video card.
What says the Manual about the installation procedure ?
I'm following the installation guide and it almost immediately balks, so I've had little time to stray from the procedure.
Are these 1.44k (HD) or 800k (DD) disks, perhaps your disk drive is not fully compatible or the disk image format was not the right one (non-standard disk format) ?
Disk Copy 4.2 identifies them as 800KB disks being imaged in a 1.4MB drive. Maybe there is special data in the unallocated portion of the disk? Wasn't there a discussion about this recently?
Was it dongle-protected software (if yes perhaps some cracking work is necessary) ?
There's no indication that copy-protection is in place. The installation guide mentions nothing of it.
If the installer writes back registration information to its disk, perhaps it allows only one registration at all (need to remove that information first for another install) ?
It would be sort of a shitty deal if you were only allowed to install from the disks once. Or, maybe it's trapped some information about the machine it was originally installed upon.
I'll get the images up shortly so other people can experiment as well.
Edit: Replaced 'xxx 7' by 'Mac OS 7' - IIGS User
2013, August 9 - 9:50pm
#69
I was able to get Interleaf to install under System 6.0.8 on a vMac emulator. It will not run, however, because it requires a 68020. Hopefully that's really an at least a 68020, and not only a 68020.
If you have some insights in how I can setup a Macintosh II emulator, I'd like to hear about it.
2013, August 10 - 6:45am
#70
Great job grawlix.computing !
Perhaps the Macintosh II emulation inside the MESS emulator system is another option for running Mac Interleaf Publisher.
Its developers created it as faithfully on hardware basis as it needs for running A/UX OS on it.
2013, August 13 - 1:48pm
#71
Perhaps the Macintosh II emulation inside the MESS emulator system is another option for running Mac Interleaf Publisher.
I've had a reasonably good go at this, this week... Its an effort to say the least, at getting MESS up and running with a Mac II - anything.
I have had success using a Mac IIci ROM and booting up as a Mac IIci. Other Mac II ROMs I've tried are either not recognized or are missing some component that it's wanting or expecting. The ROMs I've been using are from the MG collection.
However. With MESS, because it emulates actual hardware, it allows only one floppy disk drive and one external floppy drive, only. That's it. No exceptions.
With the IIci ROM, it expects an 800k drive, internal and external.
It gets worse.
To install SSW, 6.0.8 which can be installed with 4 x 800k floppy disks, you can only install from the 1st 2 install images. You cannot elect to add extra disks. There is no drag and drop or option to add other floppy images, so you cannot add image files as required.
Imagine trying to install from the 16 install disks of Interleaf Publisher here. 
Then, HD disk images from the common emulators, BII, Sheepshaver, Mini vMac are all incompatible 
Also: MESS accepted a Mac SE FDHD ROM I threw at it. I thought great, I'll be able to install SSW 6.0.8 from 1.4MB disk images (only 2 needed for a full install) and then use this installed HD drive with the IIci ROM. Nope, it won't recognize these either. 800 KB floppies (limit of 2) no prob but 1.4MB install disks seems to be a no go for me, so far.
I've managed to make a partial 6.0.8 install to a MESS HD image (from 1st 2 800k floppy images). Then added what I can from the remaining 2 disk install images (on subsequent reboots), so I now have a pretty much basic install on HD of SSW 6.0.8 including MultiFinder, Control Panel, Color and Printing software... But getting those 16 Interleaf disks installed onto this, I don't think I'm up to it.
Additionally, I don't think MESS can do networking either... Appletalk, TCP... nada.
OK MESS is (an almost) great at actual hardware emulation, but its being too anal for anyone (esp. me) to put up with in an emulated situation, IMHO.
2013, August 13 - 3:05pm
#72
Help pages at MESS wiki:
Install Mac System 6
Install Mac OS 7.5.3
Create Large Mac CHD between 20MB and 4GB
Convert Mac CHDs Back and Forth into Other Formats
An old entry from a MESS developer's blog:
Setup guide for MESS (Mac Plus)
Here some technical information of the Mac driver (ROM checksums especially of interest):
Mac Technical Notes
M50753 PMUs
Enhanced Apple Sound Chip (EASC)
Models emulated by the Mac driver
According to this information emulation of the original Macintosh II is available with the right ROM (search google for "MESS BIOS images").
The current developer says the Mac Driver of MESS got direct read/write support for vMac and Basilisk II compatible HDD and floppy images in the latest 2 releases:
The new Mac WIP thread.
R. Belmont is one of the leader programmers of MESS in general and the Mac driver, you may contact him for special questions via his profile page or the
Mac driver's dev thread.
He also has set up recently a OS Setup guide for MESS drivers (mostly PC-related so far).
I hope that information may help you.
2014, August 19 - 5:08pm
#73
Hello. I think I found the name of one program, not yet mentioned in this discussion. SUE (Simple Unicode Editor) by Tomasz Kukielka.
http://free.abracode.com/sue/
I found it in Alan Wood's Web site, page "Unicode and Multilingual Editors and Word Processors for Mac OS 9".
http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_mac.html
It was mentioned on Unicode Mail List at 2000-07-08.
http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/Archives-Old/UML023/0499.html