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Joined: 2011 Jul 5
Project: OldNet (Working Title)

A few years ago I was thinking up some ideas to take back the internet for older Macs (Not just for older Macs, but for SGI, Sun, Palms/PocketPcs, and older Windows Operating Systems.) All of these machines are great and still really useful in many ways. But the biggest thing is, the internet. We all know what the internet is for (besides for porn). It will be great to see apart of the internet for these older systems. If it wasn't for WoW, college, and work, I'll still be using my G3 B&W for my main machine. There is a few problems about starting a network/internet for these systems, such as standards. The internet has changed a lot along with standards and what the pages are built on.

If I can get some people to help and get some people interested into this project, I will start it. There is going to be a lot of work to be done. I will get a website up and running to kept track of the project and other information that is needed.

I want this project to be able to have some of these pages/sites on it.
Forums
Downloading services
Media sharing services (as in Youtube)
Database/Wiki
Chat rooms
Game sites

Besides from making sites myself, I will also want other users to build and expand on top of this project.

I know there is the PixeroNet project, but I want my project to be able to use older internet browsers to be able to view this. So ontop of that, I have to figure out what version of said browsers supports what.

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Joined: 2011 Feb 25

Have you heard of tenfourfox? It is a port of Firefox to older PowerPC Macs. They have releases tuned for G3, G4, G4e and G5 Macs for 10.4 & 10.5.

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Joined: 2011 Jul 5

Yea, I have heard of it, but what about for the people that use 7, 8, or 9? This is one reason for this project. And not just for the older Mac OS, but for older version of Windows, SGI IRIX, and Sun Solaris too.

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Joined: 2010 Jun 16

There is Classila for Mac OS 8.6-9.22 - http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/
There is iCab 2.9.9 for the 7.5 and up - http://www.icab.de/dl.php
Somewhere out there is Browser6, designed for those ancient machines - http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8453

I'm impressed by the Classila/TenFourFox's developer's newest endeavor - Copperweb - which looks to run a Perl local proxy service stripping out code from pages that older machines just can't handle. http://www.floodgap.com/software/copperweb/

I feel Copperweb may be a solid goal - in the same way that websites have a Flash/No Flash or Javascript/No Javascript failover, it seems stripping out what makes older browsers choke, or perhaps even translating it to something simpler, is a really smart way to engage the systems. Chances are there are external proxies that can do this, but as the developer said, you probably want to make the old machine self-capable.

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Joined: 2011 Jun 4

Closest thing to a working browswer on SGI/MIPS is SeaMonkey. It was meh on dual R12K 600s with 1gb ram. Everything else was worse, most much worse. Solaris will be gone as soon as Oracle can kill it. As for older windows, even I ain't that masochistic.

I can still do a bit on my PB3400 under 9.1 & 80mb ram using iCab and, rarely, Clazzila (sp?), but that's because the sites I use are either fairly plain or have mobile sites that I hit instead of the main one.

Old computers make fun toys, for the most part, not web browsers.

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Joined: 2009 Aug 17

The problem with browsing on old computers is that modern sites are designed to heavily rely on Javascript and CSS. Just look at Jag's House or Archive.org versus Facebook or Gizmodo. If you use old fashioned HTML 4 markup you shouldn't have any trouble browsing with old computers and browsers. (It's just more difficult to make a good-looking site that's easy to update.)

Mobile versions of sites are about as close as we'll get for big-name places.

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Joined: 2010 Oct 3

so you are looking to create a set of sites that will work on older comps, not a browser? if so would be happy to help in any way i can, i do know some html, but not allot, and if you ever want a hand with hosting anything i am happy to help Smile

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I actually like the idea. I also liked PixeroNet which unfortunately seems to be dead. I personally really liked the early years of the internet. Everyone was experimenting, most pages were from private people like you and me, almost no big businesses were involved.

So I love the idea of recreating the experience. Maybe there is a way to cooperate with the Internet Wayback Machine ?

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Joined: 2010 Mar 12

Just use old webpage editing software to make your own pages, and test it for easy viewing on older model Macs and their browsers. There's some software on the Garden, like this: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/claris-home-page-30

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Joined: 2010 Oct 3

i like this project, i have many old comps and the main problem is the web, and as MCP says you just need to use old software to create the pages, we could quite easily create a large number of sites tuned for old computers, and as i say, a am happy to host sites for this project, just give me a shout if your interested

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Joined: 2009 Nov 14

I really did like the way the Internet used to be: just lots of text, which could easily be copied to hard drives, no bloated Flash interfaces, and a blossoming of personal creativity.

One of my favorite "old sites" is http://atarihq.com/tsr/, the famed |tsr's nes archive. With the exception of the Google AdWords (which can be blocked via an adblocker), it's pure, concentrated nostalgia of a bygone era.