Old Fonts - Garamond and LB Helvetica Black

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2014, December 3 - 6:33pm

rthornqu

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Old Fonts - Garamond and LB Helvetica Black

Hi All!

I'm doing a project relating to some computer games from the 80s. As part of that, I have some PageMaker 3 files from the era that I'm trying to resurrect. I've got PageMaker 3.01 running (on a Centris 650 under System 7.5) , and I have the files loading, but it seems I'm missing some fonts.

Two of the fonts I'm missing are Garamond and LB Helvetica Black. I think I'm looking for the PostScript Type 1 versions (forgive me if I've got this wrong - I'm not a Mac guy, but am learning!).

I tried downloading the Adobe Font Folio from here but it didn't have the ones I needed. Is there some kind of repository for these old fonts somewhere online? Or does someone have these two fonts and could send them to me?

Thanks for any help!

- Rick

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2014, December 3 - 7:01pm

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I´ll look though my small collection from the Centris days.

Helvetica black should not be too hard to find, same for Garamond, font faces will have differed slightly if they were not submitted by LB though.

You may know that one could subsitute missing fonts (with similar ones) in Pagemaker.
Also, Adobe had master font types for substituting the screen view of missing fonts.
Adobe Type Manager usually installed the master fonts and subsitution worked fairly well IIRC.
(Unless you wanted to print, actually.)

2014, December 3 - 8:54pm

MikeTomTom

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Another problem you might have is which Garamond? As there are several variations of this font.

The most common I suppose was Adobe Garamond, but it was also produced by Monotype, ITC, URW and several others including Apple as their corporate font Apple Garamond.

A postscript version of Adobe Garamond is contained in the Illustrator version 5.0 DL.
Apple Garamond is included in the Apple Dev Jan 92 (a 284 MB DL) zipped archive, postscript & true type.

2014, December 3 - 8:58pm

rthornqu

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24bit -

If you could look through your collection, I'd appreciate it!

I do want to print the file, so if I can find the same font that would be great. If I can't find it, I'll substitute.

- Rick

2014, December 3 - 9:01pm

rthornqu

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MikeTomTom -

Thanks for the tips! I'm going to try the fonts in Illustrator and the Apple Developer CD Collection.

- Rick

2014, December 3 - 9:26pm

24bit

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This is what I could source in the first run:
https://mega.co.nz/#!TpZn3AqZ!SKNTejjsJECFT2oSKFKflSp_iabZOjh_xPPtYV-gYBQ

MTT is quite right, there were tons of Garamond flavors.
Hope youl´ll find one looking about right.
Helvetica was/is copyrighted so the free flavors were called Swiss and Zuric.
I did include the TrueType faces as well, cant harm and there is a Helvetica Black.

Note that font files should be dragged and dropped onto the closed System folder.
TT just needs one suitcase, PS needs one (or more) for printing and one for screen imaging.

Off:
If you want to plunge into TrueType, I would look through a Corel font repository for PC.
Any desired TT can easily be coverted to a Mac TrueType.

2014, December 3 - 10:30pm

rthornqu

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24bit -

Got the file - thanks! Now I'm off to see if I can get it to work...

-Rick

2014, December 4 - 12:11am

themacmeister

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I know for a fact that the Type 1 Adobe Font Folio contains both the fonts you mentioned. Garamond=Adobe Garamond, and LB Helvetica Black=Helvetica Black. You should be able to find/replace these attributes from within PageMaker, but sheesh, version 3.01 is ancient -> have you thought of opening it in 4.2?

2014, December 6 - 4:19pm

rthornqu

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themacmeister -

You are correct. Now that I know what I'm doing, I went back to the Adobe Font Folio and it did indeed have the fonts I needed.

I only installed PageMaker 3.01 because the creator codes in my files were ALD3 (Pagemaker 3) and the type codes were ALB3 (PageMaker 3 publication).

I've been able to resurrect the files and they look great! Thanks to everyone for your help!

- Rick