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2014, September 20 - 5:29pm

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original machine specific software restore discs

hi there
after another thread on another board it was brought up that the specific versions of the os
that came with the machine are specifically tweaked + optimized for each mac
im trying to find the versions for the macs that i own

g3 B&W 450mhz PCI (mac os 8.6)
g4 sawtooth 450mhz AGP (mac os 8.6)
g4 quicksilver 933mhz (mac os 9.2.2) ** i have these
g4 mdd DP 867mhz (mac os 9.2.2)
g4 mdd SP 2003 1.25ghz (mac os 9.2.2)

if anyone has the original installer discs for these please talk to me!
i have the 933 originals in case anyone needs them..

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2014, September 23 - 4:31pm

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I have the Yikes (PCI Graphics) disk on my server

I also have a sawtooth disk, but not the 8.6 one it's the 9.0.4 one. And i have a MDD disk but it isn't labeled which one it is for, i can see if i can figure out which one if your interested

2014, September 23 - 7:27pm

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I been looking for the MDD Disks for a bit, I believe they are copies of Jaguar (10.2,&os9) what max has. I have been fooling with them for awhile now. I just ended up loading 10.4 as mine has the FW800 I have another one someone upgraded that is an 867 with a 1.25ghz DP and its not stable for some reason, its beyond me what he did. I will tinker with that when I have time. His MDD Disks will not work for me, if they do the trick.

2014, September 27 - 6:30am

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ckilla.. its probably to do with your rom file.
u can download a version of 9.2.2 from macos9lives.com which includes rom 10.2.1, refferred to on our board as "fresh drag install" because the install method we use to install this is simply to drag the files to a blank hfs+ partition. this is, as far as i know, the last revision of a rom file that ever existed.. so it includes support going backwards for all hardware.. at least thats what ive been told

2014, September 28 - 4:48am

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no actually supernova, its a 867 which is marked on the back case that has been upgraded to a DP 1.25 and the guts were changed over, has nothing to do with the software. I ran it for a bit and it froze up on me. It was never intended to be a running unit,just a test bed I had gotten from someone. He hacked the hell out of it. So none of it is original. I got it with leopard on it and wiped it, and added Tiger and when i did that all hell broke loose on that machine. So he did something to it.. does that give you better information?

2014, September 30 - 4:16am

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all he would have done is to change the cpu to a dual 1.25.. the motherboard is compatible..
but if its the originaly motherboard the cpu wouldnt run at 1.25 at all, because the dual 1.25 has 167mhz bus speed -- so the the original cpu had a 6.5 multipler, 6.5 * 133bus = 867mhz
the 1.25 dual cpu would have a 7.5 multiplier because 7.5 * 166 = 1245 (close enough lol)
so the 1.25 cpu on the 133 bus motherboard (if thats whats going on with your machine)
would make it run as a dual 1ghz... unless he also overclocked the cpu multiplier to compensate for the lower bus speed... then again he could have changed the bus speed aswell up to 166 or the motherboard could be a 166 mhz bus original 1.25 dual motherboard that he simply swapped into the 867 case. let me tell u, i bought an 867mhz mdd for 30 bucks last year... when i first got it did the same thing, froze all the time, after changing ram, changing disks, and most importantly installing the right version of os, the machine runs stable as can be.
i run my mdd 867 dual with mac os 9.2.2, i dont really like using osx on g4.. i have other machines for that, and they perform better with os9. tiger is a great os, i run it on a powermac g5 1.8ghz single processor and its like a rock on that machine, i run 10.5.8 on a 2008 imac 24", and 10.6.8 on my macbook air. the problem you are experiencing with freezing can happen from mixing and matching the wrong types of ram, make sure that the ram you are using are all the same brand name chips, and same style of chip configuration (some ram modules have chips only on one side, and some have them on both sides, number of chips etc) i had problems like u are experiencing but after i caught on to this and found a good combination of ram and used all the same size ram chips aswell, the freezing dissappeared.
for example the mdd can take up to 1gb ram modules.. but only will recogize up to 2gb of ram. i find it performs best with 4x256mb or 4x512mb modules of PC2700/DDR333 or PC3200/DDR400, these two speeds can be mixed as the high will just downclock to the other but yes wierd freezing + crashes can definately occur 100% because of ram so check out if your ram is mixed 1sided with 2sided
its low density vs high density ram, the high density is the 1 sided chips.. i found my mdd works best with low density (double sided) ram chips of 8 chips on each side even tho it will chime + boot up with any combination, when i first got it it had 1x1gb chip + 1 256mb + 1 512mb and it froze like crazy.. good luck!

2014, September 30 - 6:40am

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Point taken, wow... thats interesting..im going to give that a shot and see what happens. I have some 1gig ram around too mess with. I run my G5 dual 1.8 with the same OS but I use Tiger Server Unlimited Clients.I will go back and check all my ram and see what i have laying around and try what you said im bookmarking this post.

Thanks
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2014, October 1 - 4:00pm

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Supernova777, its a duplicate MDD logic Mobo, has the motherboard 630-4653 PG4 series so he swapped out the guts to the 867 and put this in its place. I have 2 Samsung 512's PC3200 which are CL3 in it and a 512 (M) 512 CL 2.5 PC3200 and a Samsung 256 CL3 PC 2700. Thats where it stands at now, and 40gig hd which can be upgraded as needed to whatever size i feel like running(add additional)

2014, September 30 - 6:41am

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Btw: I havent even gotten time to really mess with it

2014, September 23 - 9:02pm

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My perspective on machine specific disks is that they are usually an older OS that has been "hacked" to run on newer hardware (usually through the use of an "Enabler"). In other words the hardware is ready to be shipped but the next software version isn't - so rather than release a complete, new, tested OS they simply hack the old OS to use whatever new chips are on the motherboard. As such the original OS released with a machine is probably more buggy and less stable than the next Universal release. So I would not use the words "tweaked" or "optimized" to describe the OS on the original factory disk. "Hacked" or "a kludge" would be better. They almost always have issues which require being fixed by an update. The later G4s + 9.2.2 are a bit of different case as 9.2.2 was basically DOA at that point.

I usually use 10.4.11 on any G4 machine that is bootable in 9.2.2 and Leopard on the later G4 Aluminum Powerbooks. For a pure classic machine I like the Wallstreet, Pismo or a pre 1GHz iMac.

2014, September 27 - 5:48am

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i have tried the 9.04 install and i ended up getting all kinds of time synchronizer bus errors
so im pretty sure that my machine needs the 8.6 G4 AGP restore/install... and the 9.04, even tho it let me install, is a mess on this machine.. crashes like crazy cant even boot up to desktop now
it was working fine with the geforce 4mx installed, but when i put in the original ati rage pro card that this 450mhz g4 sawtooth originally shipped with.. all hell broke loose

sfp1954: im not interested in running mac os x on a g4 sawtooth, id rather run osx on an intel processor or G5... on the g4 im trying to run older audio production related software that does not run in any version of mac os x...

given the amount of AGP 400mhz + 450mhz machines that were sold and that ive seen in my lifetime, i cant believe this cd is "Rare to find".. the yikes version should be the rare one!!

but yes to reiterate.. i need the 8.6 that is specifically for the 400mhz + 450mhz AGP graphite "sawtooth" powermac g4 (denoted in this chart by 8.6* with the asterisk)(probably the same version as the mac server g4s 350/400/450/500 which are G4 AGP non-adc aswell)
http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/minimum-macos-supported.html

ive got my B&W 450mhz running its original version of os8.6 and its so much faster then 9.2.2 its crazy.. the machine was a dog running 9.2.2 and it feels like using an mdd now with its original tweaked version of 8.6

2014, September 27 - 5:53am

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ok i think ive found the right disk here on the garden
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-85-851-update
on this page its linked as PowerMacG4CD_86.ZIP
http://macintoshgarden.org/sites/macintoshgarden.org/files/apps/PowerMac...
i havent installed it yet but it does contain apple software restore to restore the drive
i checked the name of the img file that it lists when running apple software restore and it says
"Power Macintosh G4 HD.img" and its version 8.6 - theres a chance it could be the yikes i guess.. but i saw that one specifically labelled "yikes" in the filename so i hope whoever added these used that to differentiate, and i hope this is indeed the AGP version.... fingers crossed

no dice "this configuration is not supported on this computer" wont even let me star t a restore.. so its definately the yikes cd.. SUCKS!

2014, September 27 - 6:01am

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yes ive confirmed the exact same file size in this file as the g4 yikes cd i downloaded from max...
so they are identical.

2014, September 27 - 6:31am

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ok ive figured out whats going on here
MAX u should rename these 2 discs.. that u have labelled on your server as sawtooth discs
they arent at all.. they are of 9.04 and they are for the GIGABIT Ethernet MYSTIC models
which are visually identical to the sawtooth

1 Power Macintosh G4 400 (Gigabit) 9.0.4
1 Power Macintosh G4 450 DP (Gigabit) 9.0.4
1 Power Macintosh G4 500 DP (Gigabit) 9.0.4
1 Mac Server G4 450 DP (Gigabit) 9.0.4 or X Server*
1 Mac Server G4 500 DP (Gigabit) 9.0.4 or X Server*

if they are installed on a sawtooth they cause all kinds of problems..
the mystic had a different motherboard then the sawtooth
and never shipped with 9.04

check the list for yourself
http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/minimum-macos-supported.html
you should really rename that file on your server to save people some hassle in the future

2014, September 27 - 11:17am

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Ahh, ok thanks for letting me know about that

Yeah i never tried installing them, just took it that whoever uploaded them originally labeled them correctly, will get that sorted

2014, September 27 - 2:51pm

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any chance u have a directory filled with all indexes of files from the backed up images?
maybe u could do a search for "AGP SAWTOOTH 8.6" ? i think there was a restore disc for the sawtooth that was "9.0.2"

2014, September 27 - 8:02am

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ive checked the filelist on max1zz for
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/apple-system-software-recovery-cd-2

which shows
05.00 System Recovery 2:Mac OS:System Software by CPU:Power Macintosh:G4 (AGP Graphics)
Mac OS 8.6 757 (ttro ttxt) 10/20/99 10/20/99
Mac OS 9 535 (fdrp MACS) 1/12/0 4/24/0

05.00 System Recovery 2:Mac OS:System Software by CPU:Power Macintosh:G4 (PCI Graphics)
Mac OS 8.6 757 (ttro ttxt) 10/20/99 10/20/99
Mac OS 9 535 (fdrp MACS) 1/12/0 4/24/0
Power Mac G4 ROM 1.8.1 643 (fdrp MACS) 10/20/99 4/24/0

so does that mean i can install 8.6 on my agp graphics with this??
i hope so.. downloading at 2mb/s will have this burnt in a jiffy!

***update
well i checked it out and there was some lame apology saying sorry we couldnt fit this on the disk
for the powermac g4 pci + agp.. LAME!!!!!!!

back to sq 1

2014, September 27 - 3:27pm

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introduced 1999.08.31 with 450 MHz model at US$2,499 and 500 MHz, not available until 2000.02.16, at US$3,499; 400 MHz model introduced 1999.10.13 at US$2,499; 350 MHz model introduced 1999.12.01 at US$1,599; replaced by Mystic on 2000.02.16.
Requires Mac OS 8.6 through OS X 10.4 Tiger, 10.5 Leopard is not officially supported but can run
CPU: 350/400/450/500 MHz PPC G4
Bus: 100 MHz
L2 cache: 1 MB 2:1 backside cache
Video: ATI Rage 128 Pro in AGP 2x slot (was Rage 128 prior to December 1999); supports resolutions to 1600 x 1200 with 32-bit support, includes VGA and DVI ports.
DVD-ROM on G4/350, 400, original G4/450; DVD-RAM on newer G4/450, 500
part numbers: M6921, M7232, M7824, M7825, M7827

my agp graphics 450mhz sawtooth does indeed have this ATI RAGE 128 PRO card that features the dvi port, in addition to the vga port, but with horribly low ram (16mb video ram i think) so that places the manufacture date of this machine, like the article from low end mac that i just quoted has stated, between the date of the introduction of the new video card type - December 1999 -- through to February 2000, when the model itself was replaced by the gigabit ethernet model... so its from december 1999, Jan 2000, or the first half of February 2000.

thats a really short time for it to be produced.. no wonder its hard to find this disc!!
i think theres also a machine specific version for this machine with the version "9.02"
that also has a restore capabilty specific for this machine.

2014, September 27 - 4:20pm

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ok i just bought the 9.0.2 discs off ebay for 20$
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111374641192

so i can upload them when they get here
pretty sure this is for a sawtooth...
id still like to get the 8.6 cds however

but they arent on ebay

2014, September 27 - 4:37pm

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I wish you good luck, if your lucky you might even be able to use the Mac OS Rom from them to get 8.6 booting

I searched every disk i could think of on my server but nothing has the 8.6 disk for the sawtooth, only place i didn't look is the Mac OS Anthology sets, need to see if i have a file listing for those.....

2014, September 27 - 5:24pm

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isnt it amazing that these discs are nowhere to be found considering the number of AGP sawtooths that exist?

"introduced 1999.08.31 with 450 MHz model at US$2,499 and 500 MHz, not available until 2000.02.16, at US$3,499; 400 MHz model introduced 1999.10.13 at US$2,499; 350 MHz
model introduced 1999.12.01 at US$1,599; replaced by Mystic on 2000.02.16"

the sawtooth was produced from september 1999 - february 2000 - a short time ...
if we take into account the release of mac os 9 (October 23, 1999) it becomes clear that the 8.6 version was only used most likely from the beginning of september till the 3rd week of October.. 7 short weeks!!!!! which i suppose is why these discs are so hard to find!

i wonder what would happen if i just transplanted the 8.6 hd i have on my powermac g3 450mhz pci graphics, if it would just crash like crazy.. probably. those motherboards are very different;( the 8.6 agp sawtooth install must be highly customized with drivers that dont exist in the pci graphics version. anyways i look forward to getting these 9.02 discs + uploading them for others stuck in my situation, maybe we'll get lucky and another user will put an end to this mystery!!!!!

looking back at this quote above... and referencing the info on everymac.com which states the 500mhz AGP also shipped with 8.6 -- my thinking is theres no way the 500mhz was shipped with 8.6 in febuary of 2000... 4 months after the launch of 9.0? apple ships machine with 8.6? no way.. this must be erroneous information... it makes alot more sense that only the 400/450mhz agp models shipped during the time period between aug31 + oct23 were the ones that came with 8.6... and my machine is from after that point, i know, from the presence of the updated ati rage pro agp card with the added dvi port.

perhaps my firmware + my rom file could be the only things stopping me from being able to install 8.6. apple clearly disabled it on purpose to avoid problems.also, i saw other posts with people saying that the post-firmware-update the older versions would no longer install.. ie: later on firmware was updated for better compatibility with mac os x... this might have broken compatibility with the tweaked 8.6 version. perhaps an openfirmware hack could enable a universal 8.6 install.. but ahah! the 8.6 universal is from before the sawtooth so that wont work either.. still would need the original sawtooth agp 8.6 restore+ install!!!!

the 9.0 retail cd is as close as i can get.. its what i have installed last night actually. maybe i should just test with it some more to see the performance... at least ive ordered these 9.02 cds which im pretty positive are machine specific for the sawtooth.. my whole reason for being on this quest is that i installed 8.6 on my g3 450mhz b&W and its like a speed demon now by comparison to 9.22. the finder is definately more optimized + accellerated... and there was a post on our forums over at macos9lives by _BT who brought up the fact that each mac os 9 version was custom tweaked+compiled for that specific motherboard/cpu combination when it shipped with each machine.

2014, September 28 - 2:24pm

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http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/apple-system-software-recovery-cd-2

this cd contains folders for all versions between 8.0 and 9.0
but under the folder for 9.0 it says
"due to space + technical issues, mac os 9 is not on this apple system software cd. mac os 9 ships on its own cd in the apple software recovery cd package"

does anyone have the companion mac os 9 software recovery cd that belongs to this applecare package? just wonder if this cd could have the missing 8.6 for AGP systems...

http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1860.0

2014, September 29 - 1:41am

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come on someone has to have this cd... thousands of sawtooths were made in september & october 1999!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!! who has this?

2014, September 29 - 4:03am

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I don't have this, sad to say. Closest I have is an iMac system 8.6 software restore CD.

I say closest, because this CD has no problem booting & installing to my older beige G3 (without complaining that its not an iMac) and also its from the G3 iMac DV model from 1999 which has ATI Rage 128 (8MB) AGP x2 chip on board.

Just tested installing OK to 2nd partition on my beige G3, runs good. Unfortunately I don't have sawtooth G4 to test it on too.

2014, September 29 - 3:44pm

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heya mike..
so the imac is agp aswell......
i actually have downloaded the imac restore image
i have tested that the 8.6 yikes + 9.0.4 agp both result in nonfunctional ethernet/firewire/sleep functionality on the 450 AGP so im certain the 9.0.4 cd is for gigabit/mystic motherboards with only 3 ram slots..
i will test the imac restore today to see if i have firewire or ethernet working.. but im guessing that this will also be the case with the imac disc
i am not giving up on this without a fight tho! i keep emailing people to try to find this, its ridiculous that this is not available as im sure there are many other sawtooth agp owners out there and to be honest 8.6 is incredibly fast on these machines in comparison to 9+ but without 10/100 ethernet or firewire + sleep its kind of a deal breaker

2014, September 29 - 4:21pm

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just restored the imac 8.6 hd image.. boots fine with the 2.5.1 rom, but at the start u can tell something isnt right as as the happy mac icon at the start shows a block of blank space around it over the checkered pattern the same as the 9.04 gigabit install and the yikes 8.6 install... and the setup assistant crashes on first launch.. ethernet + firewire + sleep dont work. same as the others..

2014, September 29 - 9:43pm

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Pity it didn't help. I see what you mean about fast tho'. I normally run 9.1 on my beige G3 but since installing 8.6 onto it yesterday its like getting a new computer, it seems at least twice as fast in opening windows and apps, the system is booting at least 4 times as fast (haven't loaded up on fonts and 3rd party extensions too much so far tho'). I'm seriously considering "downgrading" to 8.6 permanently on the beige.

Good luck with your quest, I hope the original install CD shows up for you sometime soon.

2014, September 29 - 7:49pm

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i really hope the 9.0.2 cds that i ordered from ebay will properly support my sawtooth's ethernet/firewire/sleep functionality.......

was there a version of 9.0.2 for the mystic/gigabit..? i hope not.

so far in my testing the 9.0 + 9.1 installs are the only ones that setup assisstant doesnt immediately crash on, when booting up for the first time.

2014, September 30 - 4:43am

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i just re-read the everymac page again carefully and realized something
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_450....

it says that post speed-dump g4 agp 450s used a custom 8.6
but it also says that pre speed-dump g4 agp 450's used a custom version of 8.5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so many my sawtooth needs this 8.5 cd.. im going to start checking every 8.5 cd i can get my hands on .. its not over yet!!

2014, September 30 - 5:02pm

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well my search may have come to an end!
visit http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1860.msg9137#new to see the post in which i display the cd version 1.2 given to me by "almeath" from 68kmla forums -- big thank you to him.. however my firewire drive is not mounting and it works fine under mac os 9.x so im wondering if there is a firewire update fix for mac os 8.6/agp g4's somewhere..it could be that the reason for this is that my firewire drive is a 500gb fw800 drive with a fw400 adapter... and also that it was never formatted with mac os 9!!! it came pre-formatted as mac os extended+ when i bought it.. or i formatted it with mac os x 10.5 or 10.6 and never installed "mac os 9 harddisk driver" or that the 8.6 "hard disk driver" is needed.. i remember when installing os8.6 from a retail disk it asks to change the hard disk driver.. perhaps someone with more experience can post and shed light on this.. like i said the firewire drive works fine under 9.0+ with this machine (using 9.0 retail disc install, or 9.1 retail install, i havent tested 9.2+ retail install but im assuming it works with that too)

max -- lets make sure this makes its way to your archive -- along with the versions of 9.0.2 which will hopefully be sawtooth agp friendly aswell.. i should have them in about 48 hrs time

awesome;)

2014, September 30 - 10:24pm

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"however my firewire drive is not mounting and it works fine under mac os 9.x"

I hope not (for you) but it could just be that on a classic Mac OS, the on-board chips of the fw drive enclosure will run in Mac OS 9.x only.

This is the case for a NewerTech miniStack FW 400/USB 2 enclosure that I own - this one requires 9.2 or higher - sad for me cause I've tried it on earlier OS's with no luck

p.s. Congrats on locating the correct 8.6 install CD. Awesome!

2014, October 2 - 1:05am

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thanks mike i was pretty happy to solve the mystery..
both my 8.6 b&w + sawtooth see the firewire drive but it doesnt mount.. viewing in system profiler shows that the device is connected tho (see images here http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1860.msg9142#msg9142) but u may be correct that this old os just doesnt want to play ball with the drive itself..if anyone could reccomend a brand/model of firewire drive enclosure that works with 8.6 id appreciate being clued in..

i think ill try to patch up my firewire extensions, i thought these updates were mac os 9.0+ when i saw them last but on closer inspection, they do support 8.6 - maybe they are the missing link to getting this drive to mount : http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1295 ok yes these links are for 2.3.3 which is for 9.0+ according to the text in the update page, i guess im after 2.2.2 but its only posted in one european language.. i wonder if it matters if i install the "Svensk" version ;D

2014, September 30 - 6:26pm

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i have made the the sawtooth AGP 400/450mhz 8.6 software restore+install cd available via mediafire

image: (note "cd version 1.2" this means AGP sawtooth, "cd version 1.0" is for PCI yikes)
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1860.0;at...

download:
http://tinyurl.com/nq3gdtc

this cd will do the trick to install 8.6 on a agp sawtooth! i reccommend booting from the cd, and clicking "software restore" to do a restore of the original hard drive.. it literally took 3-4min to complete! very fast restore.

2014, September 30 - 11:37pm

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Thanks, I haven't tried booting from the disk yet. A couple of observations:

The CD appears to be an International English release, as indicated by the "Z" (viewed when getting info) on the System file - version is Z-8.6

Mac OS X was the OS running when creating the .iso and it was mounted on OS X unlocked, prior to zip archiving it. This caused the hidden OS X files ".DS_Store", ".fseventsd", ".Spotlight-V100" and ".Trashes" to be written to the .iso image (modifying the image on Jul 27, 2008). But as you indicate the disk is bootable, then this won't be an issue WRT installing 8.6 to a Sawtooth.

2014, October 1 - 4:01pm

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yes i noticed the Z- international designation also.. beggers cant be choosers;) lol
i've just recieved the 9.0.2 discs via post just now
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1855.0;at...
i will be imaging them shortly and making them available!, using toast 5 of course;)

also ive created this document, http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=389.msg409#msg409 in an attempt to have an "at a glance" look at which 'batch of g4s' was shipped with which 'restore cds' i think the macs released dec 2 1999 were the ones to be updated to 9.0.2 sometime in february-march 2000.

2014, October 2 - 12:04am

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the 9.0.2 cds are imaged + macbinary'd and posted for download
visit this thread - created uncompressed image in toast 4.1 and translated to .bin with stuffit deluxe 5.5
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1878.new#new

maxx please download these and add them to your archive!

2014, October 2 - 5:28am

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SuperNova, I am waiting on your advice, as I value your opinion like many others on here concerning that unit:

Anyone this is for my own personal units not resale. I would like to see it run 9.22 but that may not happen. I do have a dual 450 for that which is graphite. I use these for workstations and gaming

Thanks

2014, October 2 - 5:41am

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i got you covered ckilla.. download this: http://www.mediafire.com/download/0baid1ccny2bvsw/FreshDragMin.smi.bin.. contains an uncompressed NDIF disk image, mountable under os 9 or os x, unstuff with stuffit expander, then drag these files to any partition and select the system folder as your start up drive on any MDD and reboot into os9 (as long as that mdd supports the os9 boot) if your MDD has firewire ports on the back its not going to boot into mac os 9 unless u do a firmware downgrade, which is a little more involved but we have directions on how to do that .. http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=762.75 2nd page of the thread will show u how to download an older revision of the firmware.. + boot into openfirmware.. it may take some patience tho! good luck!

2014, October 2 - 6:19am

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Tried the firmware downgrade wouldnt work its FW 800 and it kept messing up and not taking the command line..I tried a crap load of times... who knows why it did it..no drive open, no boot to firmware nothing..locked out.. imma post my issue to that forum...get this squared away..

Thanks Super

2014, October 2 - 10:46am

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the commands have to be entered exactly, dont be discouraged you wouldnt be the first person to have trouble, others had difficulty but in the end succeeded, dont give up! it can be done!
if your MDD is fw800, the above file i posted is only good for classic mode until u are able to successfully rollback the firmware, its very similar to os9general.dmg but contains extensions of higher (more recent) versions and brings more compatibility with 3rd party graphics cards. read the directions very carefully + read the entire thread, especially the comments from "SnakeCoils" after the initial 'revelation' post by "blitter" on the 2nd page of the thread

also check this thread out that i made
http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=389.msg409#msg409
a visual timeline of all the g4s.. by release date.. so u can easily see which was part of which 'batch' and came with which 'machine-specific' version of mac os. might give some insight as to why your 867/1.25ghz frankenstein-mdd is unstable.. maybe it doesnt have the right firmware/rom/os combination - i will try to update this thread to indicate the correct 'mac os rom' versions that the machines shipped with and/or were issued official updates for

2014, October 2 - 6:14pm

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Hi Supernova, heres what I know the tag on the back reads EMC#1914
Serial#x831400QN1X PMG4 1.25GHZ DP/256MB/PC2700/80GB/COMBO
R9000 PRO/56K I changed the video out to an Nvidia 4600Ti, which I am going to switch back to the R9000 Pro once i get the Frankenstein to work. I am going to list that on the Mac Site.My boot disk 3, Partition 3

Firmware:4.6.0f1

2014, October 2 - 6:39pm

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from what i understand that card is the fastest card under mac os 9... period

2014, October 2 - 8:20pm

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I just had Tiger OSX on here and on a whim installed Emacs 9.2.2 and it took...odd machine...

2014, October 9 - 11:02am

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have u tried installing the OS9General.dmg image?
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/mac-os-922-powermac-g4-mdd
to properly install this you need to first have X installed, and have more then one disk or partition available, (one able to be formatted) and then using disk utility, format a new partition (making sure to check the box that says 'mac os 9 drivers'), then u can proceed in two ways.. using the os9general.dmg as the source for doing a restore with disk utility, which involves dragging the .dmg file to the source field, and then dragging the icon for the formatted clean partition to the destination field and restoring, or, you can simply double click the os9general.dmg file and drag the files onto your existing partition (not requiring a format) but i like to format to be sure to have a 'clean slate' for the 9 installation to start with.

2014, October 4 - 11:43pm

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i have solved the problem of my firewire drive not mounting by taking the firewire extensions v2.7 (2 files) from a mac os 9.1 install, and placing them into installs of mac os 9.02 + mac os 8.6
it was successful in making my wd passport studio firewire drive mount in these os versions!
http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php?topic=1893.msg9314#new

2014, October 6 - 11:17pm

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That's good news about the firewire fix.

I needed to do some similar style fixes for the new Mac OS 8.6 install onto my Beige G3:

Added the Control Panel "Keyboard", from 9.1 to get the "F-keys" feature to activate.

Added the following Extensions from 9.1:
ATI drivers (all) - In the beige I have a Rage Pro 128 PCI card (pulled from a PCI G4 tower) and the 8.6 ATI drivers were bletch, this is fixed now.

USB drivers - (all) from a previous 9.1 install to the same beige G3 (has 3rd party USB card only).

Apple CD/DVD Driver + ISO9660 File Access, Foreign File Access, UDF Volume Access.
I had the weirdest bug on the beige, where copying files from a server or even another partition on the same internal hard drive would cause the Finder to exclaim that it couldn't read the disk in the DVD burner and asked to format or eject it. There was no disk in the burner! I'd eject the empty tray but the error message would pop up repeatedly until the copy completed. If the file was large, this could cause 20 or more of these bogus error messages which I had to manually dismiss. Replacing with the 9.1 CD/DVD drivers fixed this is very weird issue.

Also related to the CD/DVD drivers was installing the patched Apple DVD Player 2.7 and its extensions. The patched version is required to allow the Player to work on unsupported hardware. It wouldn't work at all until I introduced the Apple CD/DVD Drivers from 9.1, now it plays DVD's nicely.

2014, October 9 - 10:58am

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which installation of 8.6 did u install for the beige g3?

2014, October 9 - 12:43pm

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I used an iMac Software Restore disk on the beige G3. It didn't complain about it not being a iMac.

The CD was pressed in 1999, its bright orange in color. It has CD version 1.0 and the serial number Z691-2375-A, printed on it.

Not sure what iMac it came from as I got this with a bundle of software disks in an ebay auction.

Everymac.com lists the following as all of the iMac models released in 1999:
iMac G3/266 (Fruit Colors) 266 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)
iMac G3/333 (Fruit Colors) 333 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)
iMac G3/350 (Slot Loading - Blueberry) 350 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)
iMac G3/400 DV (Slot Loading - Fruit) 400 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)
iMac G3/400 DV SE (Slot Loading) 400 MHz PowerPC 750 (G3)

All shipped with 8.6 - except the iMac G3/266 which shipped with 8.5.1 on board. All had some form of ATI graphics.
Given the color of the CD tho' I'm guessing its one of the other fruit color models.

2014, November 20 - 2:08am

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I've just acquired a TiBook that came with a set of restore disks ... for a PowerMac G4, probably a Quicksilver.

I can upload them if they're of any use?

PN Z603-0711
OS 9.2.2 / OS X 10.1.3
AHT 1.2.5

2014, November 20 - 3:39am

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I think it is possibly for an iMac G4 install set this model (or rev-b of it, to get 10.1.3). The original 700/800 MHz flat panel lampshade Macs.

I say possibly, as the only reference to "Z603-0711" I could find was to a Canadian ebay auction for this iMac which described the included disk set... saw this on google, the auction was long gone so couldn't view the original ebay page.

Anyway, upload please.

2014, November 20 - 1:36pm

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Part numbers on the 5 CD restore discs is the same as the ones linked below.

I'll grab toast, and upload the AHT and OS 9.2.2 images.

The 9.2.2 works on the TiBook, the restore sets fails the machine check.