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Here's a scenario:

I've purchased a Power Mac G5 off of eBay for $200. It arrives, and appears to be just what the seller had advertised, but the case has been pretty well beat up by FedEx. I contact the seller to initiate an claim with FedEx as they are obviously the responsible party in the depreciation of my goods.

The G5 was bought to rehabilitate another G5. I was going to do the work just for the value of the remaindered components--specifically one of those beautiful aluminum cases. So, what I received still allows me to satisfy my client, but sort of shits on my profit. Moreover, it now becomes a lot more work as I cannot simply move the client's HD into the new machine and be done with it.

The seller tells me that FedEx will be here tomorrow to pick up the case. I call FedEx to find out how long their investigation will take and where the item will go where they're done. A very helpful young man tells me that it will be shipped back to the original shipper, or to the receiver (me) if the shipper informs them to do that.

Perfect. I can still get my half a cake, and hopefully get a refund on the half that got smashed in transit. I tell the seller to make sure and tell FedEx to ship the item back to me. This baffles the seller, and he asks me what do I want, the refund, or to keep the item?!

I start explain myself, but think to call FedEx and ask the same questions I did earlier. This time, I get a different answer. The item will go back to the original shipper, no matter what. Somewhat unhelpfully, they let me know that he can, of course, ship it back to me at that point.

It's also my understanding that the shipper did not add any additional insurance, so he is likely to get a claim settlement of the standard $100, or less if the item is not deemed a total loss. Now, I do not want to send the item back because I will lose the parts I need NOW, and may not even see my original $200 either.

I propose to the seller that I will give it to FedEx, and when he gets it back, he can refund me $100, and ship it right back out. That's crappy for both of us, but at least he gets some of the money from the sale, and I get some of the parts I had originally bought.

He declines, and tells me I'm making assumptions--presumably about the declared value. It has now descended to his "you do what you have to do," to my "you leave me no option."

What the fuck, and what should I do?

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grawlix.computing's picture
Joined: 2009 Jun 1

Oh, I asked him point blank how much he had insured his shipment for, but he has yet to answer. Up to this point, we were in a pretty conversational email exchange.

bertyboy's picture
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If the seller offers a full refund including shipping, take it. He'll be compensated by the courier, you won't (you didn't make any arrangements with the courier).

Honestly, forget the half and half, start looking for another G5.

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I agree with bertyboy.

You need to cut your losses and get on with the glitches.

From my own experiences: As a buyer; If you don't organize insurance yourself, before you make a substantial purchase, then you have sold yourself short.
The old adage "Let the buyer beware" does actually mean just what it says. Its not up to the seller to insure anything. Once you have agreed to a price for (a) an item you are purchasing & (b) include the cost of delivery to you. (c) The costs of delivery to you should include cover for any damages. This must be stipulated prior to purchase and before the delivery is sent - by you. Its up to you - re the costs of delivery, including insurance.

Your only recourse for recompense as I see it from what you have described, was at delivery point when the package was delivered to your doorstep. That is, you should inspect the contents of any purchased package when it arrives by delivery to you - in front of the person making the delivery. That way, if the item being delivered is not as how you would like it being delivered, you can at that point say "No, I refuse to accept this item, because it is damaged and not in the condition I had ordered or expected". The delivery person would then have no choice but to return the item as undelivered, and you would then be 100% entitled to full re-compensation.

That opportunity was missed, I gather...

grawlix.computing's picture
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So far, the seller has not offered me anything other than to have the machine picked up by FedEx for their investigation.

grawlix.computing's picture
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At this point, I'm pretty sure that he would refund me my entire purchase price, but would not give me a chance to buy the components that I need. It makes sense what you're recommending, but I really need to get this thing fixed pronto, and don't really want to lose the entirety of the bargain I have struck.

I've tried to explain my position, and what I would like, without making any sort of demands on him, but he is now calling me a liar and a thief and claims I just want the unit without paying for it. That is not the case. I just want a reduced price for an item that has been reduced in value.

I don't really stand to lose any actual money in this--just the value of that sweet sweet case.

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You keeping the goods doesn't help the selller recover the full cost from the courier. So please forget it, whether it was a bargain or not. If I was the seller I'd be miffed too.

The seller wants the item returned, and you should ask for a full refund when he/she receives it. You wanting to keep components or the Mac for a reduced price without the seller getting their hands back on it does sound fishy. As we said before, forget it, start looking for another.

Aside, $200 is a bit much for a PMG5 They usually go for $90 equivalent in rip-off Auckland, but if I buy away from the weekend, they can be had for $50 equivalent (anything up to dual 2GHz model).

grawlix.computing's picture
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Why would you have room to be miffed as the seller if I just keep the goods, and you keep the $200? It is exactly the bargain you made.

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MikeTomTom is 100% correct.

But this is the world of eBay, and sellers have a responsibility to correctly package and label items for transit. The seller arranged the ourier and paid the courier so must deal with the courier. As soon as the machine is returned to him (insist on this, you don't want or need a bashed up Mac) he should arrange a full refund, including shipping costs.

Been there, done that, been on both ends, buying and selling on eBay UK. Ask for or offer a full refund and chase the courier if you're the seller. I always took the free insurance (up to £40) courier. If items needed to be insured for more, fragile items especially, as the seller, I took it.

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Just an added note: The seller made no offer or mention of insurance in his listing.

bertyboy's picture
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None, but I had thought that you wanted to negotiate on the price because of the quality of the goods when they arrived. If you're happy with the goods and with the $200 paid, what was the point of contacting the seller ?

But if the goods are damaged and that is not good for you, and you wish to cancel the sale, the seller will need the unit back to make his case against the courier.

There is no middle ground, the seller will quite rightly not refund some of the money to you just on your word that the goods are damaged, sending photos doesn't cut it either.
Just trying to help you get all your money back, but if you're happy with what you paid $200 plus shipping for, then ignore all of this.

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No, I appreciate your comments.