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Found an SE at the dump!

I just grabbed a Macintosh SE at the dump. It boots to the flashing question mark, but appears to have a hard drive installed (it has the light on the front panel?). I am in the process of re-acquiring a PC with a floppy drive, and I have two sealed boxes of twiggy double-sided disks.

The screen appears a bit dark, but I assume there is an adjustment pot somewhere inside. I don't have a Torq screwdriver, so opening this may be interesting Smile

I also only have a keyboard, so navigating will be impossible. I *used to* have an adb mouse, but it was thrown out long ago (along with the floppy drives) grrrrr. I have a SCSI card, but no scsi-scsi cable, so I cannot even attempt to repair any hard drive on the PC side Sad

By the time taken for the flashing question mark to appear, and the slowness of the flashing, leads me to believe there is a hard drive of some description inside...

time will tell.

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Navigating with a keyboard isn't wholly impossible. It's a giant pain and there's a lot of stuff you can't do, but you can generally navigate through the Finder and some applications.

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Thanks commodorejohn, I doubt that I will ever find a mouse in time to really try it out. I just want to get far enough into a HD format utility to see if there is an internal SCSI disk, if not, it goes back to the dump. Sad

Does anyone know a good system for burning Mac floppy images under Windows?

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Transmac seems to be working for me...but getting 'damaged or corrupted' on many sit files...going to try 'HFVExplorer'.

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Yes, HFVExplorer is OK for this. But... you may have a "Catch-22" on your hands, depending on the SE.

If it has "SE FDHD" stamped on the front of the case you will likely be OK (it can use 1.4MB floppies), but if it doesn't, then its a good chance that the mobo will have 800k chips on board only - and no Windows (or Mac OS X, or Linux) system can write 800k Mac formatted disks AFAIK.

So this could be a problem for you.

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http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Apple/Components/auction-400851061.htm

What do you reckon ? should I stretch to $2 ?

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Yes, what a bargain! Too bad I'm in Glenfield Tongue

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Gadzooks bertyboy,

I would stretch to $50 just for the SE/30 and the Colour Classic!!!

There are a few Macs that are on my MUST HAVE LIST.

20th Anniversary of course
SE/30 with NuBus Radius (or other) colour card + 21" CRT monitor
DV iMac graphite (400MHz)
Cube

I have pretty much owned all the others (and loved them), I used to work on G3/G4 towers, so they just remind me of over-work and under-pay Sad

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East Auckland too far ?

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Yeah I dont have a license, and its just little out of reach. Only been here bout 3 weeks as well.

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OK, I've got the leading bid, don't bid against me. If I win I'll test them all and you can have your pick, all I really want is one of the Colour Classics. And maybe one of the SE/30's. And if I get one of them working I'll throw in my old SE FD/HD - comes with a UK power cable.

Fingers crossed.

I can drop off on one of my weekend visits to TakaPuna beach.

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@bertyboy:

OK, I've got the leading bid, don't bid against me.

Was this you? "Winning bid: NZ$16.10"
If so; Congratulations. Thats a real bargain and a half! Big smile

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'…one made a bong and lit up, …'

Ehem, sounds like the bunch are in need of some rehab. In every aspect.

XD

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Oh god thats exactly the first thing that popped into my mind as well, heh Tongue

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Thanks bertyboy! Sounds good. I would also like one of the color classics, and of course an SE/30 Tongue well if you win em let me know. I got none of my computer stuff up here really, just moved all the basics. Alright, an HD would be good as well! Just need to find a way to get games onto floppies now haha. Little project in between my job hunting.

Good luck.

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@ Macmeister: I found BII build 142 more useable for writing Mac HD floppies, but its a matter of taste, I guess. If your SE can only read 800k, sure enough someone will create a set of floppies for you with his old Mac.
I kept the original ADB mouse that came with my MacII. The plastics became brownish during time, but you can have it for free, if needed. There must be some SCSI cables on the attic too (although I discarded most of them), what type do you need excatly?

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I will check for FDHD stamp -- I'll let you know. I really envy you NZ mac fanboys -- I want to bid on this -- http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Apple/Desktops/auction-402140789.htm

but alas... I'm in Australia, and postage would kill me.

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@bertyboy: If I was in NZ right now I definitely would be bidding against you Wink

I would love to get the Color Classic - Who wouldn't? Smile

@themacmeister: if you'd like a boot floppy for the SE mailed to you, let me know. 800k or 1.4MB (I can send either or both). I'm in NSW.

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@MikeTomTom: if you'd like a boot floppy for the SE mailed to you, let me know. 800k or 1.4MB (I can send either or both). I'm in NSW.

That would be fantastic -- It is an 800k drive I'm afraid. if there was a SCSI compatible format tool (by apple?) on there, that would be great too. You can email me via this forum - it comes to my main account. Cheers!

PS. Once I discover it has no HDD (which I am pretty sure of) I will be throwing it. The keyboard has been crushed, there is no mouse, and it is badly marked/scratched. I think a bulldozer may have got it.

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@themacmeister: You have email.
I'll send the 800k boot floppy off today with a bit of luck. It'll be the "Disk Tools" disk from SSW 7.0 - has a SSW 6.x System tho', as 7.0 couldn't fit on an 800k disk Smile So yes it'll have the SCSI HD formatter tool "Apple HD SC Setup" on it. Can throw in a suitable FWB Tools just in case the drive has been formatted with an other than Apple formatter.

Because you get a light on in the front panel, it suggests to me that there is a HD in the case - just no working OS.

I used to take these cases apart using a long, flat-bladed screwdriver, as I didn't have a torq type at the time. Didn't wreck the screws either.

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Hmm I actually have perfect wardrobe space to fit at least two of these babies! Ahh cant wait, but shouldent keep my hopes up lol. 11 hours remain!

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@themacmeister:

Are you SURE those are "Twiggy" FileWare 5.25" disks? These are quite weird, and worth quite a bit to collectors.
You're probably thinking of the much more common 800K 3.5" "hard shell" disks, though.

Anyway I'd like to know! Also if anyone else out there has Twiggy stuff, we are very interested!

--balrog

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I did get a still-shrinkwrapped pack of 5.5" floppy disks (the real floppy ones). The other two new boxes of disks were the PC 1.4MB 3.25" disks...

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Woohoo, I think so! Good news Smile

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yes, mine, pick up tomorrow at 11. I was always thinking that it is one of you selling

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@bertyboy, swap you an SE for that SE/30 Smile

only kidding...

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mmm, i already got an SE I want to get rid off. We'll see what's working tomorrow.

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SE's don't really have a place in Mac history Sad

The speed difference from a Fat Mac to an SE/30 was like walking, or riding a bullet train!

There were two crushed Atari-ST computers, a 1080 and a 540? They were complete with everything, and I nearly cried when I saw they had been run over by a bulldozer's treads... Also an original Mac Plus, but with a crushed keyboard (impossible for me to replace).

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@themacmeister:

SE's don't really have a place in Mac history Sad

Have to disagree on that one Smile

The Mac SE was the 1st compact Mac to have any expandability. It has a PDS slot for a variety of expansion cards and could have (internally) 2 floppy disk drives, or a single floppy drive and a hard drive. This was a milestone in Macintosh development. The direct end line of this development direction was the SE/30 (still using the same case/monitor design), and yes the

The speed difference from a Fat Mac to an SE/30 was like walking, or riding a bullet train!

Quite correct and phenomenal.

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Hard drive? 2nd floppy? They had these for the Mac Plus -- making them internal was no great achievement Smile

I never ever heard of a PDS card, ever. NuBus had a lot more takers.

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I never ever heard of a PDS card, ever. NuBus had a lot more takers.

Statistically on a per Mac model basis PDS was the more common. Some Macs had a combined NuBus/PDS slot - usually the smaller modular Macs, or if they were larger desktop boxes there would be separate NuBus and PDS slots, but per Mac, a PDS was found in more Macs models than Nubus. Although, NuBus would likely win if going by number of slots available, as there was only one available PDS per Mac. Whereas you could have several NuBus slots depending on room on the motherboard and case. A brief description of PDS here. Check out the Applefritter link on the page too for some groovy PDS pics Wink

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All back home, cleaned and tested:
An LCIII - boots fine
An SE - boots fine
A Classic - powers up to a chequered screen
An SE30 - cannibalised, with no logic board
An SE30 - gets power, disk spins up, but no screen activity
A Colour Classic - had it working but now I get the Sad Chimes
A Colour Classic - powers up with no logic board, but as soon as the board goes in it powers off.
Two Stylewriters
Two CD600i's
About 6 logic boards from various Macs, most with RAM and PDS adapters, TV tuners, Ethernet, etc, one looks like it's for the SE30 above.
7 ADB mice
3 keyboards.
About 6 SCSI and IDE hard disks, most Apple branded Quantum.
loads of cables but alas no power cables, which is what I was really hoping for - I have no NZ 'D' power cables, only a ton of UK ones that I have to put through adapters.

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Holy Zap batman. That is a mixed bag. A lot more stuff there than I'd guessed there'd be. I hope you can get somewhere with the SE/30 & CC eventually. A bunch of stuff there I could do with like the SCSI CD drive but at the moment, logistically impractical.

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Just an update, anyone shout out if I mention something you're after.
Motherboards, RAM, LC PDS cards, Comm slot cards, Video capture cards from:
PM 5200
LC630 x 2
PM 5400 x2
PM 5300
PM 6500
and a IIcx motherboard packed with RAM in all 8 slots.
14 various hard disks from 80MB to 1.8GB, SCSI and EIDE,
7 floppy drives
3 CD600i's (not two)
8 ADB and ADB II mice.
3 Apple Keyboard II all with cables.
1 TV card
and what looks like a 2.5" Sony drive.

Any takers ?
Back to work on the Colour Classics ...

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@bertyboy

...alas no power cables, which is what I was really hoping for - I have no NZ 'D' power cables, only a ton of UK ones that I have to put through adapters.

If you have plenty of UK power cables to spare, just go to any "Bunnings" store in NZ and purchase the NZ connectors you require (approx. NZ$5.00 each). Just snip the UK ones off and replace them. You don't even need a soldering iron, just a cable stripper or sharp knife to expose the wires & a screwdriver to tighten the wires into the plug head.

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"Thus, PDS slots tended to be CPU-specific, and a card designed for the PDS slot in the Motorola 68030-based Macintosh SE/30 would not work in the Motorola 68040-based Quadra 700."

Wha...?

PS. I have seen the slots before, but never knew what they were! All the graphics cards for SE/30 were NuBus tho right?

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the graphics cards for SE/30 were NuBus tho right?

SE/30 PDS according to Apple Spec Database.

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adb keyboard & mouse pls!!!

I'm looking to max out RAM in SE too (4MB). http://support.apple.com/kb/TA34950?viewlocale=en_US

Are either of the two LC630 dos compatible?

EDIT: I wish I had a use for the IIcx mobo, as I used a IIcx extensively for work (I really liked it, although mine had a cracked mobo, and needed a full replacement). It was still under warranty, but was offline for a week too long Smile I hope this issue was not systemic, and the IIcx mobo is still intact.

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Berty I'd like a color classic with keyboard hehe Laughing out loud but I guess they're work in progress. I dont have a power cable up here. I enjoy staring at things though!

Another thing, whats the capacity of HD can a color classic hold? I'd love to try darkseed on one of those.

Thanks.

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@themacmeister, I'm in Melbourne soon on business so I can post it from there to save money. Might be a month or so.

@j_damage•69, I'll try out a brand new PRAM battery (rather then pulling one from my Digital Audio (battery about 18 months old). Fingers crossed. I know both CC's started up fine with one of the logic boards so you'll get one with everything. I don't have any spare NZ power cables - I don't have ANY NZ power cables at all, everyhting still goes through UK plugs and UK 4-way / 6-way extensions. Keyboard and mouse will be fine too. Would you want the SE (working, 4M) too, I already have one.

I presume the CC is SCSI and it'll take up to a 4GB disk, I used a couple of 3.2Gb disks in my IIci and Iisi.

I'm going to check all the hard disks I can, just in case there's something fantastic.

I could do with some help getting a monitor onto the LCIII, of the VGA variety. I've only got digital flat screens here, but my big Sony TV has a VGA port so I could use that. Anyone know of a DB15-VGA adapter available in this part of the world ? trademe came up blank.

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@bertyboy:

Anyone know of a DB15-VGA adapter available in this part of the world ?

Best I could do was find this MacSense ad for a suitable adapter. Don't know if the adapter is available or not. Price approx. NZ$12

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Hey berty, thanks for the reply. Oh sounds great! I will also like the UK power cable, sure i'll find somewhere to plug it. Back down south I got many, many power cables Tongue either of them wont be coming up anytime soon though..

I would love the keyboard and mouse, also the SE haha Smile nice place to store these. Does that mean i'll need another keyboard and mouse then? Wow 4mb im excited already, always wanted one!

Okay, check the HDs and get back to me what you come up with. Would you like money for either of these machines?

Cheers!

PS. Whats the easiest way to get software onto these machines? USB floppy on macbook pro work?

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@bertyboy -- no hurry on the Keyboard/Mouse

I have a Mac-monitor --> PC-monitor adaptor (with dip switches) -- is that what you are talking about? (you will need to supply your own male-male PC VGA cable tho). Haven't used it in MANY MANY YEARS!

View it here -> http://www.info-tec.com.au/Pics/IMG_2456.JPG

I used to have the dip-switch settings written down for different resolutions, but I have since lost them. Each switch only has two settings so there are not many permutations... Trial and error will get (say) 640x480 working, or even 1024x768 etc. If the monitor doesn't show anything, turn it off, or risk destroying it! This helped me a lot with my old LC630 and PowerMac. At the time, PC monitors were so cheap in comparison.

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@j_damage•69, no problem, a Colour Classic whether it's working or not by next weekend, and the SE - which has a card in the back, co-axial Ethernet I think. It's an SE FD/HD with Mac OS 7.0.1, same as mine, so it should have a "SuperDrive", a 1.4MB and 800K compatible floppy drive.

Can only spare the one UK pawer cable, I'd cut the UK plug of and attach a NZ plug from Bunnings, but they're like $9 each (and I have about 18 UK plugs to replace). I may find another in my drawer of electrical stuff.
Money ? I'd ask for pterol money to get up there and back but it works out something like $2.

@themacmeister,
looks just about right. I have a long cable already in my big bag of video cables, so I should be OK.

Edit: Replaced 'xxx 7' by 'Mac OS 7' - IIGS User

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Hmm so whats wrong with the colour classic exactly? The SE/30 does sound great though. Is Mac OS 7.0.1 recommended? Or is it like the supported one really? 2 bucks, why thank you Smile its a deal!

Edit: Replaced 'xxx 7' by 'Mac OS 7' - IIGS User

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out of interest are any of the floppy drives 800k? would never be able to afford postage tho...

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j-damage•69, The CC gets power with the mobo withdrawn but as soon as it is inseerted, it powers off. when I tried the mobo from the CC I want to keep, it booted (but now that mobo in either CC just gives me sad chimes. So you'll get one of either CC (they're identical) and the mobo that powers it off, but I'm hoping that with a brand new PRAM battery, it should be good. I picked up on a few Apple Discussions about getting them back to life, so I'm hopeful with a new battery, an extended downtime and then a "warm-boot" - leave plugged in for 24 hours to charge the capacitors before trying to boot.
Other Mac will be the SE. I'll be keeping the SE/30 (dead) and the SE/30 (cannibalised) for parts to get the 1st one working - it has no mobo anyway.
Two keyboards and mice too and kb cables. And one or two UK D power leads.

max1zzz, I'd have to give them a close examine. No idea what I'd be looking for.

And 1 kb and klb cable and mouse for themacmeister.

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@bertyboy:

What do you still have available? Please email me at arm3...@gmail.com.

Also, I do capacitor replacements and board level rework and repair, as a service. If anyone needs this done (I have to charge a fee since it's my time), please email me.

--balrog

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@Balrog - alailable: all the motherboards and cards and RAM, a Classic that switches on to a chequerboard screen (apparantly a sign of video RAM loose or in need of attention). All but one of the floppy drives, all but one of the CD600i's, most of the hard drives once I've checked them for content. Then if I can get get the SE/30 working from the parts in the cannibalised one, my fully working SE FD/HD. And about 4 or 5 ADB mice. There's probably more.

Checked all the caps on the CC boards, no sign of leaks, and I don't really want to put them in the dishwasher.

Email tonight.

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Checked all 12 of the EIDE hard disks, 2 are SCSI - annoyed because I left PCI SCSI cards for PMG4's back in the UK.
4 are dead, including a 1.8GB drive, 4 are blank, including another 1.8GB drive, 4 have stuff on them, some next to nothing, some about 90% full. It mostly looks like standard Performa software. I imaged all 4 of them and I'll dig through it when I get time. First priority is to get the CC's working.

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@bertyboy:

Still haven't received an email from you.

As for being in NZ — I know people in Australia who dabble with Mac stuff, and some of them should be able to replace capacitors.
Note that dishwasher treatment is only a stopgap solution and could cause additional damage.

--balrog